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		<title>By: Isabel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, 

I would like to do a loan modification thru Aurora Loan Servicing, but I do not know if they go off of the gross income or the net income.  I need help with this.  I would like to get my modificaiton approved.  I currently in a 30-year interest only program.  

Please help</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, </p>
<p>I would like to do a loan modification thru Aurora Loan Servicing, but I do not know if they go off of the gross income or the net income.  I need help with this.  I would like to get my modificaiton approved.  I currently in a 30-year interest only program.  </p>
<p>Please help</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started almost a year ago doing contract review work for Fannie Mae appraisals.  Not as concerned about values as they were to the technical approaches, and factual data contained in the reports.  In fact, about 80% of the appraisals were just fine re a supported value.  However, there were many factual data errors.  My understanding is that almost all of these loans were performing, but were deemed high risk.  Most were approaching the one or two year mark when the reps and warrants from the originator would expire or be reduced.  The entire loan package was being audited.  Those that did not meet guidelines were being sent back to the lender even before a possible default.  I have to wonder how many of these loans are held on the originator&#039;s books (mostly banks).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started almost a year ago doing contract review work for Fannie Mae appraisals.  Not as concerned about values as they were to the technical approaches, and factual data contained in the reports.  In fact, about 80% of the appraisals were just fine re a supported value.  However, there were many factual data errors.  My understanding is that almost all of these loans were performing, but were deemed high risk.  Most were approaching the one or two year mark when the reps and warrants from the originator would expire or be reduced.  The entire loan package was being audited.  Those that did not meet guidelines were being sent back to the lender even before a possible default.  I have to wonder how many of these loans are held on the originator&#8217;s books (mostly banks).</p>
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		<title>By: MortgageNewsClips: Monoline Outlook, GSE Appraisal Agreement, Back Tax Downside, Mark Perry 2, Sambol Out, Alt-A Problems, EPDs, Credit and Delinquency, Reps and Warrants, Robewrt Steel, Fair Value Accounting, Kotok on Oil</title>
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		<dc:creator>MortgageNewsClips: Monoline Outlook, GSE Appraisal Agreement, Back Tax Downside, Mark Perry 2, Sambol Out, Alt-A Problems, EPDs, Credit and Delinquency, Reps and Warrants, Robewrt Steel, Fair Value Accounting, Kotok on Oil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 11:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marc Authier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Authier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to eliminate economic cycles creates exactly the contrary effect. It creates the opposite. The dynamic is always the same. To stop the bust each time, you need more and more and more credit and more and more bubbles. The next step is hyperinflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to eliminate economic cycles creates exactly the contrary effect. It creates the opposite. The dynamic is always the same. To stop the bust each time, you need more and more and more credit and more and more bubbles. The next step is hyperinflation.</p>
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		<title>By: rammtg</title>
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		<dc:creator>rammtg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about those &quot;white lies&quot; about income. I have been seeing a large number of buy backs request for loans origingated 2 - 4 years ago due to I have been seeing a large number of buy back request for borrowers that  opened numerous mortgages at the time the loan for my company was originated. These other mortgages were never diclosed to us and in many cases there were not even additional inquiries on the credit report. But once they start going belly up, all these loans become buy backs to the lender due to non-disclosure of these additional mortgages. Even when the new mortgages are all opened after 1st one was closed. The majority of these loans were full doc loans verifying all income and assets. But the borrowers went over board with buying properties and once 1 goes bad the house of cards come tumbling down. Then all the lenders get the buy back requests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about those &#8220;white lies&#8221; about income. I have been seeing a large number of buy backs request for loans origingated 2 &#8211; 4 years ago due to I have been seeing a large number of buy back request for borrowers that  opened numerous mortgages at the time the loan for my company was originated. These other mortgages were never diclosed to us and in many cases there were not even additional inquiries on the credit report. But once they start going belly up, all these loans become buy backs to the lender due to non-disclosure of these additional mortgages. Even when the new mortgages are all opened after 1st one was closed. The majority of these loans were full doc loans verifying all income and assets. But the borrowers went over board with buying properties and once 1 goes bad the house of cards come tumbling down. Then all the lenders get the buy back requests.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro_deLeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedro_deLeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 00:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blame NEVER seems to get pushed up high enough.

After 9/11, the economy was at stall speed at best.
So the Fed cut rates to stimulate spending.   Which, given incomes that weren&#039;t growing, meant it wanted to stimulate borrowing.   The Fed didn&#039;t know precisely WHERE the cheap, borrowed money would go, but AG certainly advocated the use of ARM-based home loans.   So this was planned to a large degree, at the highest levels.

Most of the folks who signed on to this fraud, had essentially received explicit or implicit encouragement to do so.  That doesn&#039;t exonerate anyone of course.  

But lets put the ultimate blame where it belongs, at the hands of the Soviet monetary planners that override the functioning of the most important market in our economy.  The Fed created the boom, just as they more recently created the oil and foodstuffs pricing &#039;booms.&#039;   They will point OVER THERE and say oh my, &quot;look at that inflation.&quot;  That&#039;s awful, and we now be vigilantly keeping that under close watch .. maybe even do something about it!  But it was the Fed (and their overseas pals) that CREATED these problems in the first place.   Just like the housing boom .. &amp; bust.

Lets get to the ROOT of the problem.   Indeed, the Fed is the root of many other major economic problems this country faces today, as they ENABLE our Federal government to borrow recklessly, affording Congress the ability to spend like drunken sailors.

If this country is to recover, we need to get to the ultimate root of its problems.   Not trying here to dismiss ANY of the concerns noted above, but to take the scrutiny to its logical limits.

pdl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blame NEVER seems to get pushed up high enough.</p>
<p>After 9/11, the economy was at stall speed at best.<br />
So the Fed cut rates to stimulate spending.   Which, given incomes that weren&#8217;t growing, meant it wanted to stimulate borrowing.   The Fed didn&#8217;t know precisely WHERE the cheap, borrowed money would go, but AG certainly advocated the use of ARM-based home loans.   So this was planned to a large degree, at the highest levels.</p>
<p>Most of the folks who signed on to this fraud, had essentially received explicit or implicit encouragement to do so.  That doesn&#8217;t exonerate anyone of course.  </p>
<p>But lets put the ultimate blame where it belongs, at the hands of the Soviet monetary planners that override the functioning of the most important market in our economy.  The Fed created the boom, just as they more recently created the oil and foodstuffs pricing &#8216;booms.&#8217;   They will point OVER THERE and say oh my, &#8220;look at that inflation.&#8221;  That&#8217;s awful, and we now be vigilantly keeping that under close watch .. maybe even do something about it!  But it was the Fed (and their overseas pals) that CREATED these problems in the first place.   Just like the housing boom .. &amp; bust.</p>
<p>Lets get to the ROOT of the problem.   Indeed, the Fed is the root of many other major economic problems this country faces today, as they ENABLE our Federal government to borrow recklessly, affording Congress the ability to spend like drunken sailors.</p>
<p>If this country is to recover, we need to get to the ultimate root of its problems.   Not trying here to dismiss ANY of the concerns noted above, but to take the scrutiny to its logical limits.</p>
<p>pdl</p>
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		<title>By: Old Loan Buzzard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Loan Buzzard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody needs to quit gasping for air at these numbers. Everybody from the broker on the street to the ultimate owner of the loans was a part of what happened. Even FNMA and FHLMC had stated loans and they all benefited.

Now the light is turned on for what it really is and they all act indignant, how could these scum bags have done this? I was doing loans, with holes in my shoes back before the stated loan was invented. Think of that, before stated loans came into being?

Well, let me tell you that if you sat down and invented a loan product and called it stated you could figure out the entire problem. 

Everybody just needs a big bag of &quot;shut the hell up&quot; and take their medicine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody needs to quit gasping for air at these numbers. Everybody from the broker on the street to the ultimate owner of the loans was a part of what happened. Even FNMA and FHLMC had stated loans and they all benefited.</p>
<p>Now the light is turned on for what it really is and they all act indignant, how could these scum bags have done this? I was doing loans, with holes in my shoes back before the stated loan was invented. Think of that, before stated loans came into being?</p>
<p>Well, let me tell you that if you sat down and invented a loan product and called it stated you could figure out the entire problem. </p>
<p>Everybody just needs a big bag of &#8220;shut the hell up&#8221; and take their medicine!</p>
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		<title>By: feng</title>
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		<dc:creator>feng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mr. M. I went to FL for memorial weekend, still a lot of people traveling. However, I did feel the pinch when I saw the gas price is over $3.90 all over the States. Best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mr. M. I went to FL for memorial weekend, still a lot of people traveling. However, I did feel the pinch when I saw the gas price is over $3.90 all over the States. Best.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Authier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Authier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who really knows what is going on ? Clowns. Clowns and clowns. You are soo lucky in the USA to have all those stupid and really dumb foreigners in love with your country. Don&#039;t forget it.

Your country will be saved by those stupid and dumb Russianss, Chineese, Japaneese, Libaneese, and ah yes those stupid Canadians anamoured with pieces of corporate american garbage.

So AIG needs much much more money ? Good! Who else ?
Go and get the stupid jerks from Libya and Singapore. Nothing better than a stupid sucker from Saudi Arabia or Kazahkstan. The choice of foreign suckers is infinite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who really knows what is going on ? Clowns. Clowns and clowns. You are soo lucky in the USA to have all those stupid and really dumb foreigners in love with your country. Don&#8217;t forget it.</p>
<p>Your country will be saved by those stupid and dumb Russianss, Chineese, Japaneese, Libaneese, and ah yes those stupid Canadians anamoured with pieces of corporate american garbage.</p>
<p>So AIG needs much much more money ? Good! Who else ?<br />
Go and get the stupid jerks from Libya and Singapore. Nothing better than a stupid sucker from Saudi Arabia or Kazahkstan. The choice of foreign suckers is infinite.</p>
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		<title>By: Nod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me see if I understand this:

The story says that on limited documentation loans “income was inaccurate to the high-side in 90% of the cases studied.”

Borrowers generally paid a premium price for limited documentation loans instead of full doc.

If a borrower could document income, why would they pay a premium for limited doc?

The obvious question is: Why did 10% of the borrowers pay a premium for limited documentation when they could have had a cheaper loan by simply providing pay stubs, W-2s, or tax returns?

Why would anyone be surprised that income was overstated on these loans?  It seems that the people writing the guidelines were simply saying that for a pricing premium they would allow the borrower to overstate the income.  In fact, that’s exactly how the loans were presented by AEs to brokers.  The big lie is that the people writing the loan guidelines, buying the loans, and insuring the loans didn’t know what was going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me see if I understand this:</p>
<p>The story says that on limited documentation loans “income was inaccurate to the high-side in 90% of the cases studied.”</p>
<p>Borrowers generally paid a premium price for limited documentation loans instead of full doc.</p>
<p>If a borrower could document income, why would they pay a premium for limited doc?</p>
<p>The obvious question is: Why did 10% of the borrowers pay a premium for limited documentation when they could have had a cheaper loan by simply providing pay stubs, W-2s, or tax returns?</p>
<p>Why would anyone be surprised that income was overstated on these loans?  It seems that the people writing the guidelines were simply saying that for a pricing premium they would allow the borrower to overstate the income.  In fact, that’s exactly how the loans were presented by AEs to brokers.  The big lie is that the people writing the loan guidelines, buying the loans, and insuring the loans didn’t know what was going on.</p>
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