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		<title>By: Weekly News Round-Up &#124; Redfin San Diego Sweet Digs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly News Round-Up &#124; Redfin San Diego Sweet Digs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] love this: a blog called The Mortgage Lender Implode-o-Meter, featuring Mr. Mortgage. Interesting reading, although I am not sure I agree that Northern [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly News Round-Up &#124; Redfin San Francisco Sweet Digs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly News Round-Up &#124; Redfin San Francisco Sweet Digs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] love this: a blog called The Mortgage Lender Implode-o-Meter, featuring Mr. Mortgage. Interesting reading, although I am not sure I agree that Northern [...]</description>
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		<title>By: EternalPessimist</title>
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		<dc:creator>EternalPessimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to youtube and search for Chalmers Johnson if you want a sobering wake-up about our future.  There ain&#039;t gonna be no 50 year bonus for the good ol&#039; USofA.  His non-fiction books include &quot;Blowback&quot;, &quot;The Sorrows of Empire&quot; and &quot;Nemesis -the last days of the American Republic&quot;.  We are at the tail end of reaping over 50 years of the good life living off the benefits of the covert military-industrial-congressional complex some nut case warned us about.  JJC had an awesome run, but having his kind of smarts is augmented a hundredfold in the right conditions.  Good luck finding those again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to youtube and search for Chalmers Johnson if you want a sobering wake-up about our future.  There ain&#8217;t gonna be no 50 year bonus for the good ol&#8217; USofA.  His non-fiction books include &#8220;Blowback&#8221;, &#8220;The Sorrows of Empire&#8221; and &#8220;Nemesis -the last days of the American Republic&#8221;.  We are at the tail end of reaping over 50 years of the good life living off the benefits of the covert military-industrial-congressional complex some nut case warned us about.  JJC had an awesome run, but having his kind of smarts is augmented a hundredfold in the right conditions.  Good luck finding those again.</p>
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		<title>By: EternalOptimist</title>
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		<dc:creator>EternalOptimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a Visual Aid on how Black Holes work, click on the following link and then click on START on the 1st graphic (LHC photo).

http://tinyurl.com/yp5r5j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a Visual Aid on how Black Holes work, click on the following link and then click on START on the 1st graphic (LHC photo).</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yp5r5j" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yp5r5j</a></p>
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		<title>By: EternalOptimist</title>
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		<dc:creator>EternalOptimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJC is just another (Mortal) Optimist!

That sucking sound we all hear is America&#039;s Black Hole, starting the &#039;Really Big&#039; feast of its lifetime.

We have crossed the Event Horizon - and there is NO EXIT for anyone, UNLESS.

This Black Swan event is no accident.

Click on my name to SEE! - All (and UNLESS). :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJC is just another (Mortal) Optimist!</p>
<p>That sucking sound we all hear is America&#8217;s Black Hole, starting the &#8216;Really Big&#8217; feast of its lifetime.</p>
<p>We have crossed the Event Horizon &#8211; and there is NO EXIT for anyone, UNLESS.</p>
<p>This Black Swan event is no accident.</p>
<p>Click on my name to SEE! &#8211; All (and UNLESS). <img src='http://mrmortgage.ml-implode.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right Gregor.

johnChun...I dont appreciate your BS on my blog but I agree with SOME of your conclusions, which is why i posted it. No need to size up John, we are all friends here. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right Gregor.</p>
<p>johnChun&#8230;I dont appreciate your BS on my blog but I agree with SOME of your conclusions, which is why i posted it. No need to size up John, we are all friends here.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think when DLove talked about “San Francisco” he was talking about the city itself, not about the entire Bay Area.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s probably true, and I tried in my post to be mindful of the naturally uneven nature, of price--that the index cannot capture. Further, I allowed that Prime had not broken. Yet. But I asserted that Prime would indeed break. (I probably define Prime like most others would: selected Marin, City of SF, Berkeley and OAK hills, select Peninsula especially in Google-Towns).

However, I think it&#039;s hardly much of an intellectual leap--when you look at the tentacles of the Housing Crash--that Prime can remain Islands of Price Stability. The plague is now well advanced right into the Bay Area, and it&#039;s kissing right up against all these Prime areas. They will fall.

One of the hoariest phrases in the real estate market is that &quot;all real estate is local.&quot; I agree with that, but, not during Bubbles and Crashes. In those, the rise and fall is systemic. It&#039;s nationwide, it&#039;s &quot;nearly&quot; everywhere.

The housing bubble was easily a 2 standard deviation event. The Crash will be no different. If not worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think when DLove talked about “San Francisco” he was talking about the city itself, not about the entire Bay Area.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably true, and I tried in my post to be mindful of the naturally uneven nature, of price&#8211;that the index cannot capture. Further, I allowed that Prime had not broken. Yet. But I asserted that Prime would indeed break. (I probably define Prime like most others would: selected Marin, City of SF, Berkeley and OAK hills, select Peninsula especially in Google-Towns).</p>
<p>However, I think it&#8217;s hardly much of an intellectual leap&#8211;when you look at the tentacles of the Housing Crash&#8211;that Prime can remain Islands of Price Stability. The plague is now well advanced right into the Bay Area, and it&#8217;s kissing right up against all these Prime areas. They will fall.</p>
<p>One of the hoariest phrases in the real estate market is that &#8220;all real estate is local.&#8221; I agree with that, but, not during Bubbles and Crashes. In those, the rise and fall is systemic. It&#8217;s nationwide, it&#8217;s &#8220;nearly&#8221; everywhere.</p>
<p>The housing bubble was easily a 2 standard deviation event. The Crash will be no different. If not worse.</p>
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		<title>By: www.johnjasonchun.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.johnjasonchun.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FACTS TO CONSIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bought 300 properties between 1994-2000
I sold 200 properties between 2000-2007
Avg. Hold=23.6 months. Avg. GROSS PROFIT=1165%. Avg. GROSS PROFIT PER MONTH = 49%
VETERAN OF:114 COURT CASES, 5 PASSPORTS, 66 COUNTRIES, 3 HOT+3 COLD MARKETS!
I told many to sell between 2001-2005, they all called me nuts!
Expect these conditions:
1=Market will bottom out in 4-5 years and CRAWL for 5-10 years!
2=If you have DEBT, GET OUT NOW OR ASAP!
3=Indicators to watch= Suicide, Divorce, Crime, Bankruptcies, Foreclosures (when these Max-out &amp; start down, #1 above has arrived). Very Simple to watch!

AND IF USA WANTS TO BE #1 AGAIN WE MUST:
1=250-300 Nuke plants @$1B each=Grants! Similar designs 4 easy build &amp; maintenance!
2=New law 50% of all cars in 5 years must be Electric &amp; 25% must 50 mpg hybrids!
3=100% Employment by 2009 from above!
4=In 5yrs USA oil/coal consumption down 50-75%!
5=In 10yrs USA will be #1 AGAIN!
6=USA Debt &amp; Social Security paid in Full!
7=If necessary, Guzzler tax for big engines &amp; Tax Credit for Sipper &amp; Elect. Cars!
8=$2-10 Trillion Cost to reduce oil 70%!
9=We all know this is correct &amp; right!
10=USA will be #1 again for 50 years or longer!
11=We can buy out Canada &amp; Mexico based on Energy Efficiency and Surplus!
12=Every Illegal can get a temp 5 year green card by purchasing a home in foreclosure and making payments for the term of their green card. Filing a tax return, paying taxes and staying employed. 5 years extension for being good. 11th year can file for citizenship!
13=There, all our problems solved in one simple BLOG!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FACTS TO CONSIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
I bought 300 properties between 1994-2000<br />
I sold 200 properties between 2000-2007<br />
Avg. Hold=23.6 months. Avg. GROSS PROFIT=1165%. Avg. GROSS PROFIT PER MONTH = 49%<br />
VETERAN OF:114 COURT CASES, 5 PASSPORTS, 66 COUNTRIES, 3 HOT+3 COLD MARKETS!<br />
I told many to sell between 2001-2005, they all called me nuts!<br />
Expect these conditions:<br />
1=Market will bottom out in 4-5 years and CRAWL for 5-10 years!<br />
2=If you have DEBT, GET OUT NOW OR ASAP!<br />
3=Indicators to watch= Suicide, Divorce, Crime, Bankruptcies, Foreclosures (when these Max-out &amp; start down, #1 above has arrived). Very Simple to watch!</p>
<p>AND IF USA WANTS TO BE #1 AGAIN WE MUST:<br />
1=250-300 Nuke plants @$1B each=Grants! Similar designs 4 easy build &amp; maintenance!<br />
2=New law 50% of all cars in 5 years must be Electric &amp; 25% must 50 mpg hybrids!<br />
3=100% Employment by 2009 from above!<br />
4=In 5yrs USA oil/coal consumption down 50-75%!<br />
5=In 10yrs USA will be #1 AGAIN!<br />
6=USA Debt &amp; Social Security paid in Full!<br />
7=If necessary, Guzzler tax for big engines &amp; Tax Credit for Sipper &amp; Elect. Cars!<br />
8=$2-10 Trillion Cost to reduce oil 70%!<br />
9=We all know this is correct &amp; right!<br />
10=USA will be #1 again for 50 years or longer!<br />
11=We can buy out Canada &amp; Mexico based on Energy Efficiency and Surplus!<br />
12=Every Illegal can get a temp 5 year green card by purchasing a home in foreclosure and making payments for the term of their green card. Filing a tax return, paying taxes and staying employed. 5 years extension for being good. 11th year can file for citizenship!<br />
13=There, all our problems solved in one simple BLOG!</p>
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		<title>By: James NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>James NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I are relocating from NYC to the East Bay for jobs in Walnut Creek.  We want to move to the Lamorinda area.  Fortunately for us we have secure jobs with good income, and we were briefly thinking of buying until we came to our senses.  We decided to rent, and running the numbers renting is so much cheaper than buying right now.

Looking at the Latest Case-Shiller data, the Lamorinda area (Lafayette, Orinda, Moraga) has not depreciated at all YOY.  In fact, median home price is up 1-3% in both areas.  However I did find a very interesting statistic.  In Lafayette, for example, median household income in 2000 was $102,000 and median home value was $583,000, for a ratio of about 5:1.  Higher than the historic 2.5-3:1 ration, but for an upscale area, seems reasonable.  In 2005, median household income was $111,000 and estimated home value was $1,284,000.  Ratio is greater than 10:1.

So did the residents of Lafayette double their incomes to be able to support these inflated home values?  I don&#039;t think so...

I&#039;s be curious to see what others think about this particular region, where home prices thus far have been &quot;sticky.&quot;  But I think they will be slaughtered in the option-ARM resets coming up.  If those numbers don&#039;t look like a bubble, I don&#039;t know what does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I are relocating from NYC to the East Bay for jobs in Walnut Creek.  We want to move to the Lamorinda area.  Fortunately for us we have secure jobs with good income, and we were briefly thinking of buying until we came to our senses.  We decided to rent, and running the numbers renting is so much cheaper than buying right now.</p>
<p>Looking at the Latest Case-Shiller data, the Lamorinda area (Lafayette, Orinda, Moraga) has not depreciated at all YOY.  In fact, median home price is up 1-3% in both areas.  However I did find a very interesting statistic.  In Lafayette, for example, median household income in 2000 was $102,000 and median home value was $583,000, for a ratio of about 5:1.  Higher than the historic 2.5-3:1 ration, but for an upscale area, seems reasonable.  In 2005, median household income was $111,000 and estimated home value was $1,284,000.  Ratio is greater than 10:1.</p>
<p>So did the residents of Lafayette double their incomes to be able to support these inflated home values?  I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;s be curious to see what others think about this particular region, where home prices thus far have been &#8220;sticky.&#8221;  But I think they will be slaughtered in the option-ARM resets coming up.  If those numbers don&#8217;t look like a bubble, I don&#8217;t know what does.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Mortgage, what about Palo Alto, CA?  Will we ever be able to afford a 1600 sqft home here?  These things are going for 1.6M still and are nothing to crow about.  It would be worth 150k somewhere in the Midwest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Mortgage, what about Palo Alto, CA?  Will we ever be able to afford a 1600 sqft home here?  These things are going for 1.6M still and are nothing to crow about.  It would be worth 150k somewhere in the Midwest.</p>
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