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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s All Unravelling &#8211; Bond Insurers Beg Banks for $125 Billion &#8220;Forgiveness&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: gin davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>gin davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>talk about blackmailing i thinking forgiveness is out of the question
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gin davis
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>talk about blackmailing i thinking forgiveness is out of the question<br />
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gin davis<br />
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		<title>By: MStephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>MStephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is interesting that in a video posted on the mortage implode-o-meter website they talked to a financial analyst about the SEC&#039;s plans to toss out ratings altogether and the analyst said it was foolish and was very quick to point out that the ratings agencies should do more due diligence and publicize their reasons for their ratings.   When she was asked who is to blame, she didn&#039;t answer, but pretended a different question was asked.  When she was asked if ratings agencies being paid for their ratings by the companies was a conflict of interest, she agreed, but then she pointed out there are conflicts of interest all over the system, such as  SEC employees then going to work for financial institutions.  

Now, why do I think this is interesting?  Because it reminds me of a speeder, who, when they are pulled over, says, &quot;But everyone else is speeding too!&quot;  as if it makes what was done any less wrong, as if the need for reform and change should not begin there just because it is needed many other places too.  

I know this post is getting a little off-topic so I&#039;ll try to yank it back on.  It seems that if there is going to be any improvement, reform has to start SOMEWHERE and take us back to basics.  Let it begin with us.

I&#039;m sure none of us understand what entitles bond insurers with such risky  operational methods to be bailed out.  As some smart person mentioned elsewhere, too big to fail may also be too big to rescue.  The Titanic was called &quot;unsinkable&quot;, but what if it had been called &quot;too big to fail?&quot;  How many other ships might it have taken to the bottom if they were close enough?  Of course, that may turn into the argument of the bond insurers--&quot;If you don&#039;t save us, we&#039;ll take you down with us.&quot;  But who can really say until it happens?  Is the parent strong enough to let his naughty teen go to jail?  Is the nation strong enough to let badly run companies fail?  Are we motivated enough to let our lawmakers know where we stand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is interesting that in a video posted on the mortage implode-o-meter website they talked to a financial analyst about the SEC&#8217;s plans to toss out ratings altogether and the analyst said it was foolish and was very quick to point out that the ratings agencies should do more due diligence and publicize their reasons for their ratings.   When she was asked who is to blame, she didn&#8217;t answer, but pretended a different question was asked.  When she was asked if ratings agencies being paid for their ratings by the companies was a conflict of interest, she agreed, but then she pointed out there are conflicts of interest all over the system, such as  SEC employees then going to work for financial institutions.  </p>
<p>Now, why do I think this is interesting?  Because it reminds me of a speeder, who, when they are pulled over, says, &#8220;But everyone else is speeding too!&#8221;  as if it makes what was done any less wrong, as if the need for reform and change should not begin there just because it is needed many other places too.  </p>
<p>I know this post is getting a little off-topic so I&#8217;ll try to yank it back on.  It seems that if there is going to be any improvement, reform has to start SOMEWHERE and take us back to basics.  Let it begin with us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure none of us understand what entitles bond insurers with such risky  operational methods to be bailed out.  As some smart person mentioned elsewhere, too big to fail may also be too big to rescue.  The Titanic was called &#8220;unsinkable&#8221;, but what if it had been called &#8220;too big to fail?&#8221;  How many other ships might it have taken to the bottom if they were close enough?  Of course, that may turn into the argument of the bond insurers&#8211;&#8221;If you don&#8217;t save us, we&#8217;ll take you down with us.&#8221;  But who can really say until it happens?  Is the parent strong enough to let his naughty teen go to jail?  Is the nation strong enough to let badly run companies fail?  Are we motivated enough to let our lawmakers know where we stand?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Authier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Authier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Says who ? Just make believe, kill the shorts and steal them, kill the market mecanisms. Last week your stupid and dangerous politicians were denoucing the big bad commodity speculators. Today it&#039;s the turn of the british bums. I really seet it. Shorting banks will soon be a criminal act liable of death penalty. UK and US political jerks. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/revealed-hedge-fund-managers-betting-on-plunge-in-bank-shares-852879.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Says who ? Just make believe, kill the shorts and steal them, kill the market mecanisms. Last week your stupid and dangerous politicians were denoucing the big bad commodity speculators. Today it&#8217;s the turn of the british bums. I really seet it. Shorting banks will soon be a criminal act liable of death penalty. UK and US political jerks. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/revealed-hedge-fund-managers-betting-on-plunge-in-bank-shares-852879.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/revealed-hedge-fund-managers-betting-on-plunge-in-bank-shares-852879.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: deanween</title>
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		<dc:creator>deanween</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Printing money is easy.  Taxes cost politicians jobs, but most voters don&#039;t understand inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Printing money is easy.  Taxes cost politicians jobs, but most voters don&#8217;t understand inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Authier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Authier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bankruptcy would be admitting that the system has imploded. It&#039;s the famous principle &quot;Too big to fail.&quot; or &quot;Too important to fail&quot;. What is funny is that the &quot;too big to fail&quot; list of corporations  in the US is getting soo big that I wouldn&#039;t be surprised seing the USA going bankrupt during my short existence. Another 10 years like that, and the USA will be exactly like Argentina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bankruptcy would be admitting that the system has imploded. It&#8217;s the famous principle &#8220;Too big to fail.&#8221; or &#8220;Too important to fail&#8221;. What is funny is that the &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; list of corporations  in the US is getting soo big that I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised seing the USA going bankrupt during my short existence. Another 10 years like that, and the USA will be exactly like Argentina.</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Blogs A Lot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sir Blogs A Lot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why don&#039;t MBIA, Ambac, etc. just admit they are bankrupt and dissolve the company? Sheesh, they can always start up a new company under a different name and start over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why don&#8217;t MBIA, Ambac, etc. just admit they are bankrupt and dissolve the company? Sheesh, they can always start up a new company under a different name and start over.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is NO MONEY folks... no wars with no money, no bailouts with no money, no money hurts people! We have no choice now because our choices are going to be made for us as a result of the position our goverment has allowed us to get into. 

Nothing more and nothing less...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is NO MONEY folks&#8230; no wars with no money, no bailouts with no money, no money hurts people! We have no choice now because our choices are going to be made for us as a result of the position our goverment has allowed us to get into. </p>
<p>Nothing more and nothing less&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Estes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Estes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps, I am paranoid, but it is this kind of thing that makes me believe that an attack upon Iran is becoming inevitable

oil and food going through the roof . .  a failed invasion and occupation . . the collapse of the housing market . . . leading to the insolvency of the financial system . . . what to do?

when there is no plausible way of dealing with the problem, war is the only remaining alternative, the only way to create an after the fact justification for the economic hardship spreading throughout the country

&quot;Dick, text General Turgidson . . tell him to come over as soon as the Nationals game is over . . &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps, I am paranoid, but it is this kind of thing that makes me believe that an attack upon Iran is becoming inevitable</p>
<p>oil and food going through the roof . .  a failed invasion and occupation . . the collapse of the housing market . . . leading to the insolvency of the financial system . . . what to do?</p>
<p>when there is no plausible way of dealing with the problem, war is the only remaining alternative, the only way to create an after the fact justification for the economic hardship spreading throughout the country</p>
<p>&#8220;Dick, text General Turgidson . . tell him to come over as soon as the Nationals game is over . . &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: P. Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda - whoops. CDS always trips me up.....thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda &#8211; whoops. CDS always trips me up&#8230;..thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The L3 numbers on these lenders and banks books are ridiculous to say the least. They cannot continue to hide their crap any longer. People are not only watching now, but becoming quite demanding as well. It&#039;s funny how when your pocket book starts to dry up of its wealth... you finally start to see people start asking questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The L3 numbers on these lenders and banks books are ridiculous to say the least. They cannot continue to hide their crap any longer. People are not only watching now, but becoming quite demanding as well. It&#8217;s funny how when your pocket book starts to dry up of its wealth&#8230; you finally start to see people start asking questions.</p>
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