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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;The IndyMac  / Pay Option ARM Effect&#8217; in Full Force</title>
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		<title>By: Marc Authier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Authier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mr. Mortgage !
It&#039;s a miracle !
The crisis is finished ! 

+35 % on the banking sector in 4 days ! Mr. Mortgage, it&#039;s time to mortgage your house to buy some Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac shares. :)

Nice little orchestrated vicious short squeeze. That the banks will be able to dump all their crap to unsuspecting investors. +35% in 4 days. At +50% they are all damn good shorts. But beware, maybe the SEC, will outlaw shorting short and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mr. Mortgage !<br />
It&#8217;s a miracle !<br />
The crisis is finished ! </p>
<p>+35 % on the banking sector in 4 days ! Mr. Mortgage, it&#8217;s time to mortgage your house to buy some Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac shares. <img src='http://mrmortgage.ml-implode.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Nice little orchestrated vicious short squeeze. That the banks will be able to dump all their crap to unsuspecting investors. +35% in 4 days. At +50% they are all damn good shorts. But beware, maybe the SEC, will outlaw shorting short and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Authier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Authier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Our banking system is solid.&quot; George W. Bush</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our banking system is solid.&#8221; George W. Bush</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey .....out of all this lender which one do you think have the most Option ARM in their portfolio? I used to be a loan officer and the only thing I heard from my WAMU rep is Option ARM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8230;..out of all this lender which one do you think have the most Option ARM in their portfolio? I used to be a loan officer and the only thing I heard from my WAMU rep is Option ARM.</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pay Option ARMs are more toxic than subprime for sure. The street finally ‘gets it’ this time..........well said.

The top brass in our govt/in the media still refer to this as the subprime mess - but pay option arms which will be the new wave of failures, were done for Alt A and A clientele.  If ever there was a &quot;sell the payment&quot;
product this was it/way too many people jumped on the wrong product.

We have a long way to go....years before this comes to a stop.  Meanwhile, the Fed tighened rules on lending and here are the real effects:

low to no pre-pays penalties = higher rates to the consumer 

must verify income = legitimate self empld stated borrowers (a huge part of our economy) who have cash flow, yet legally take advantage of IRS write-offs will have to rely on high interest private sources who charge pts/rates cloes to that of a loan shark = higher rates to the consumer


prohibit lenders from making a loan without considering a borrower&#039;s ability to repay a home loan from sources other than the home&#039;s value. The borrower need not have to prove that the lender engaged in a &quot;pattern or practice&quot; for this to be deemed a violation = banks will make less loans for fear of fed intervention (not altogether bad for them to have some fear) = brwrs who may have legitimately qualified in the past will now not be able to qualify/or if they do qualify, they can say they were misled = a lose/lose brwr/bank.

Corrections have to be made, but credit flow is already horrendous and alot of the current/proposed solutions sound like they&#039;re being created by inexperienced, non-market participants------if a doctor made a medical mistake, would you ask an accountant to weigh in on the solution ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pay Option ARMs are more toxic than subprime for sure. The street finally ‘gets it’ this time&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.well said.</p>
<p>The top brass in our govt/in the media still refer to this as the subprime mess &#8211; but pay option arms which will be the new wave of failures, were done for Alt A and A clientele.  If ever there was a &#8220;sell the payment&#8221;<br />
product this was it/way too many people jumped on the wrong product.</p>
<p>We have a long way to go&#8230;.years before this comes to a stop.  Meanwhile, the Fed tighened rules on lending and here are the real effects:</p>
<p>low to no pre-pays penalties = higher rates to the consumer </p>
<p>must verify income = legitimate self empld stated borrowers (a huge part of our economy) who have cash flow, yet legally take advantage of IRS write-offs will have to rely on high interest private sources who charge pts/rates cloes to that of a loan shark = higher rates to the consumer</p>
<p>prohibit lenders from making a loan without considering a borrower&#8217;s ability to repay a home loan from sources other than the home&#8217;s value. The borrower need not have to prove that the lender engaged in a &#8220;pattern or practice&#8221; for this to be deemed a violation = banks will make less loans for fear of fed intervention (not altogether bad for them to have some fear) = brwrs who may have legitimately qualified in the past will now not be able to qualify/or if they do qualify, they can say they were misled = a lose/lose brwr/bank.</p>
<p>Corrections have to be made, but credit flow is already horrendous and alot of the current/proposed solutions sound like they&#8217;re being created by inexperienced, non-market participants&#8212;&#8212;if a doctor made a medical mistake, would you ask an accountant to weigh in on the solution ?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SKF&#039;s reflect the turn.. were as low as $163.70 this morning.. now $186.07 up $11.61..

WM off over 30% today.. Wow.</description>
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<p>WM off over 30% today.. Wow.</p>
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