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	<title>Comments on: MGIC Reduces Mortgage Insurance LTV&#8217;s in CA, NV, AZ and FL&#8230;This Leaves Two</title>
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		<title>By: Mr. Mortgage&#8217;s Guide to the TRUTH! &#187; Say &#8216;Goodbye&#8217; to 95% Fannie/Freddie Loans. 10% Soon to be Required.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Mortgage&#8217;s Guide to the TRUTH! &#187; Say &#8216;Goodbye&#8217; to 95% Fannie/Freddie Loans. 10% Soon to be Required.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is a follow-up on my story on August 4th entitled, &#8216;MGIC Reduces Mortgage Insurance LTV&#8217;s in CA, NV, AZ and FL&#8230;The Leaves Two&#8216;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is a follow-up on my story on August 4th entitled, &#8216;MGIC Reduces Mortgage Insurance LTV&#8217;s in CA, NV, AZ and FL&#8230;The Leaves Two&#8216;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Mortgage&#8217;s Guide to the TRUTH! &#187; Mortgage Insurer Downgrades - This One Could Sting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Mortgage&#8217;s Guide to the TRUTH! &#187; Mortgage Insurer Downgrades - This One Could Sting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] which happens to be just about every populated area in the nation. I wrote about it on August 4th (click here for story). If Radian experiences further trouble they may scale back to 90% as well on new business.  This [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] which happens to be just about every populated area in the nation. I wrote about it on August 4th (click here for story). If Radian experiences further trouble they may scale back to 90% as well on new business.  This [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Georgetown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgetown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly what happened in the mid 1980&#039;s as the MI&#039;s realized (late) that markets were entering a downwards spiral.  Some survived (MGIC filed Chap 11) and some did not.  Those who did not, like Verex, continued originating in declining markets (like Texas) and were unable to recapitalize. Mr. Mortgage has it wrong.  These are private companies with obligations to their shareholders and should not be taking undue risk to try and salvage inflated markets.  If history repeats, this is a sign that the worst declines are yet ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly what happened in the mid 1980&#8217;s as the MI&#8217;s realized (late) that markets were entering a downwards spiral.  Some survived (MGIC filed Chap 11) and some did not.  Those who did not, like Verex, continued originating in declining markets (like Texas) and were unable to recapitalize. Mr. Mortgage has it wrong.  These are private companies with obligations to their shareholders and should not be taking undue risk to try and salvage inflated markets.  If history repeats, this is a sign that the worst declines are yet ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: fedwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>fedwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dafox,

LTV for a long time was 80% (or 20% down) for loans not requiring an escrow account and not requiring mortgage insurance (PMI). LTV was 90% (or 10% down) otherwise, plus you had an escrow account into which you paid monthly to cover taxes and insurance plus you also paid PMI. However, with 30% down or 70% LTV a loan could be had for those who were self-employed or had other documentation problems.

During these times various &quot;Nothing Down&quot; courses were sold to show you how to get arround this by getting the owner to &quot;finance&quot; the rest.

Recently 0% down, 100% LTV, and no documentation became the rule, that is the buyers had no skin in the game. In fact in Great Britain, Northen Rock wrote 125% LTV loans so you could fix up the place. &quot;Liar Loans&quot; (no documentation of income) became the norm so that with an income of $14,000.00 you could qualify for a $750,000.00 loan by the clever moving of a decimal point.

In Germany, 50% LTV and 50 year mortgages were common, thus their prices did not bubble and thus did not fall.

In Poland, lacking a robust Zloty mortgage infrastructure, liberal Yen loans were offered to prime the housing market.

More generous terms have always been available by FHA or the VA, but other terms applied such as the seller paying the points, so that durring the bubble sellers would not sell as a non-FHA or non-VA buyer was always available.

This total disregard to sound lending occurred in the U.S., Spain, Ireland, the U.K., eastern Europe, etc.

This housing bust is global and the latest news is that property prices in Mumbai, India are falling.

A house is only an investment if you buy it to rent it with the expectation that the rent covers ALL costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dafox,</p>
<p>LTV for a long time was 80% (or 20% down) for loans not requiring an escrow account and not requiring mortgage insurance (PMI). LTV was 90% (or 10% down) otherwise, plus you had an escrow account into which you paid monthly to cover taxes and insurance plus you also paid PMI. However, with 30% down or 70% LTV a loan could be had for those who were self-employed or had other documentation problems.</p>
<p>During these times various &#8220;Nothing Down&#8221; courses were sold to show you how to get arround this by getting the owner to &#8220;finance&#8221; the rest.</p>
<p>Recently 0% down, 100% LTV, and no documentation became the rule, that is the buyers had no skin in the game. In fact in Great Britain, Northen Rock wrote 125% LTV loans so you could fix up the place. &#8220;Liar Loans&#8221; (no documentation of income) became the norm so that with an income of $14,000.00 you could qualify for a $750,000.00 loan by the clever moving of a decimal point.</p>
<p>In Germany, 50% LTV and 50 year mortgages were common, thus their prices did not bubble and thus did not fall.</p>
<p>In Poland, lacking a robust Zloty mortgage infrastructure, liberal Yen loans were offered to prime the housing market.</p>
<p>More generous terms have always been available by FHA or the VA, but other terms applied such as the seller paying the points, so that durring the bubble sellers would not sell as a non-FHA or non-VA buyer was always available.</p>
<p>This total disregard to sound lending occurred in the U.S., Spain, Ireland, the U.K., eastern Europe, etc.</p>
<p>This housing bust is global and the latest news is that property prices in Mumbai, India are falling.</p>
<p>A house is only an investment if you buy it to rent it with the expectation that the rent covers ALL costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Correspondent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Correspondent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;Forced into FHA&quot;.  For situations where the max allowable FHA loan is sufficiently large, FHA financing would generally be considered better for the borrower: only 3% downpayment (soon to be 3.5%), mortgage insurance that&#039;s cheaper overall than conventional, pricing that&#039;s better than a conventional loan (particularly in light of the conventional credit-score &quot;risk-based&quot; pricing, where a 719 score is considered &quot;bad&quot;), and lastly, FHA loans are assumable.  A buyer getting a 6% assumable fixed rate today will have an easier time selling their house in 5 years if the prevailing rate is 8.5% at that time.  FHA doesn&#039;t work for every situation, but when it can, it&#039;s generally better than conventional.  Pity those who &quot;have to go conventional&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;Forced into FHA&#8221;.  For situations where the max allowable FHA loan is sufficiently large, FHA financing would generally be considered better for the borrower: only 3% downpayment (soon to be 3.5%), mortgage insurance that&#8217;s cheaper overall than conventional, pricing that&#8217;s better than a conventional loan (particularly in light of the conventional credit-score &#8220;risk-based&#8221; pricing, where a 719 score is considered &#8220;bad&#8221;), and lastly, FHA loans are assumable.  A buyer getting a 6% assumable fixed rate today will have an easier time selling their house in 5 years if the prevailing rate is 8.5% at that time.  FHA doesn&#8217;t work for every situation, but when it can, it&#8217;s generally better than conventional.  Pity those who &#8220;have to go conventional&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shah Of Plano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shah Of Plano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was only one year ago that the Bank Stocks started to crack - see the charts - even though anyone that was OBJECTIVE saw the FINANCIAL STOCK BUBBLE in the banks, brokers, builders, insurance companies, mortgage companies every entiy that was involved in the BUILDING BUBBLE.

The FED &amp; the Government have in 12 months bent every rule and virtually outlawed being a BEAR on what many call the FIRE economy = Finance Insurance &amp; Real Estate.

BUT none of the tricks will work because:
Consumption is Value Destruction.
Production is Value Creation.

The Housing BOOM was really a CONSUMPTION based event. No different than $5.00 Coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was only one year ago that the Bank Stocks started to crack &#8211; see the charts &#8211; even though anyone that was OBJECTIVE saw the FINANCIAL STOCK BUBBLE in the banks, brokers, builders, insurance companies, mortgage companies every entiy that was involved in the BUILDING BUBBLE.</p>
<p>The FED &amp; the Government have in 12 months bent every rule and virtually outlawed being a BEAR on what many call the FIRE economy = Finance Insurance &amp; Real Estate.</p>
<p>BUT none of the tricks will work because:<br />
Consumption is Value Destruction.<br />
Production is Value Creation.</p>
<p>The Housing BOOM was really a CONSUMPTION based event. No different than $5.00 Coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure about the other states, but here in FL the &#039;effective&#039; LTV rate was cut to below 90% by the lenders&#039; tightening credit policies months ago.  Sure there were a few individiuals with plenty of reserves that would qualify for higher LTVs, but the average joe sixpack was/is out of luck.  The mortgage insurers already stopped insuring condos effectively cutting the max LTV to 80%.  Those with little or no down payment, who probably shouldn&#039;t be buying a house anyway, are forced into FHA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about the other states, but here in FL the &#8216;effective&#8217; LTV rate was cut to below 90% by the lenders&#8217; tightening credit policies months ago.  Sure there were a few individiuals with plenty of reserves that would qualify for higher LTVs, but the average joe sixpack was/is out of luck.  The mortgage insurers already stopped insuring condos effectively cutting the max LTV to 80%.  Those with little or no down payment, who probably shouldn&#8217;t be buying a house anyway, are forced into FHA.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. M. I have to hand it to you!!! Spot on and wise!!! As usual ahead of the curve... I had heard and read about this, but did not have enough to consider it valid. You truly are one of the &quot;BEST&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. M. I have to hand it to you!!! Spot on and wise!!! As usual ahead of the curve&#8230; I had heard and read about this, but did not have enough to consider it valid. You truly are one of the &#8220;BEST&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think on a traditional 30-year fixed mortgage the LTV must be at least 80/20, at least 20% down.  Though that might have changed during the bubble years.

For MGIC to alter its requirement from 5% down to 10% down (with the other insurers YET to follow suit) means we STILL have a looong way to go before true sanity returns to this picture.

Why do I get a feeling the mortgage insurers are going to go the way of the dinosaur?!  (wiped out by a financial meteor)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think on a traditional 30-year fixed mortgage the LTV must be at least 80/20, at least 20% down.  Though that might have changed during the bubble years.</p>
<p>For MGIC to alter its requirement from 5% down to 10% down (with the other insurers YET to follow suit) means we STILL have a looong way to go before true sanity returns to this picture.</p>
<p>Why do I get a feeling the mortgage insurers are going to go the way of the dinosaur?!  (wiped out by a financial meteor)</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny about those four states.  This article on the AEI web site eliminates just those four to get a sort of &quot;core&quot; housing picture that isn&#039;t that bad.

&quot;Housing Collapse Ahead? Not According to the Data&quot;
http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.28418/pub_detail.asp

If you torture the numbers, they&#039;ll tell you anything you want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny about those four states.  This article on the AEI web site eliminates just those four to get a sort of &#8220;core&#8221; housing picture that isn&#8217;t that bad.</p>
<p>&#8220;Housing Collapse Ahead? Not According to the Data&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.28418/pub_detail.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.28418/pub_detail.asp</a></p>
<p>If you torture the numbers, they&#8217;ll tell you anything you want to know.</p>
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