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		<title>By: Jim T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone to suggest that the GOVERNMENT &quot;would not&quot; fudge the numbers (GDP, Unemployment, inflation, etc...)is either a Forest Gump or a government employee. (Sorry Forest)

This government has gone far beyond fudging numbers to keep HousingRealist as ignorant as he or she is and anyone else that would use &quot;911&quot; as an example. But as horrible and unthinkable as that example may be, lets use it to compare how far our government has gone in the past. 

&quot;Weapons of Mass Destruction&quot; lie has killed far more people than 911 and the number is still mounting.

&quot;The killing of John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King&quot; Who really killed them? 

The &quot;GOVERNMENT&quot; won&#039;t tell you the truth! Why? (BECAUSE YOU CAN&#039;T HANDLE THE TRUTH)is their excuse, but the real reason is because &quot;WE THE PEOPLE&quot; would have to root out the REAL POWER BROKERS running this country and have to kill them to free ourselves of their influence.

Re-reading this RANT you would think I was a Bleeding Heart, Left Wing Democrat and nothing could be further from the truth. I&#039;m a Vetran and Registered Republican of 25 years.

I&#039;m sorry, the use of the 911 thing just upset me.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone to suggest that the GOVERNMENT &#8220;would not&#8221; fudge the numbers (GDP, Unemployment, inflation, etc&#8230;)is either a Forest Gump or a government employee. (Sorry Forest)</p>
<p>This government has gone far beyond fudging numbers to keep HousingRealist as ignorant as he or she is and anyone else that would use &#8220;911&#8243; as an example. But as horrible and unthinkable as that example may be, lets use it to compare how far our government has gone in the past. </p>
<p>&#8220;Weapons of Mass Destruction&#8221; lie has killed far more people than 911 and the number is still mounting.</p>
<p>&#8220;The killing of John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King&#8221; Who really killed them? </p>
<p>The &#8220;GOVERNMENT&#8221; won&#8217;t tell you the truth! Why? (BECAUSE YOU CAN&#8217;T HANDLE THE TRUTH)is their excuse, but the real reason is because &#8220;WE THE PEOPLE&#8221; would have to root out the REAL POWER BROKERS running this country and have to kill them to free ourselves of their influence.</p>
<p>Re-reading this RANT you would think I was a Bleeding Heart, Left Wing Democrat and nothing could be further from the truth. I&#8217;m a Vetran and Registered Republican of 25 years.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, the use of the 911 thing just upset me.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Viv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The govt has an implicit benefit to &quot;fudging&quot; the numbers. Have a look at www.shadowstats.com and for calculating REAL GDP the Govt uses a GDP deflator of 1.2% whereas they say inflation in the economy according to the CPI is 5.6%. There are very real discrepancies in the measure of govt statistics. 

If we were to measure Inflation &amp; Unemployment the way we did in the 1970s, we would see unemployment much closer to U6 Unemployment levels of 9.7% (versus the popularized headline inflation level, U3 now at 5.5%); the inflation measures would see an greater differential, CPI might be closer to 10+.

That would put the Misery Index somewhere between 17 and 21,pretty close to the 1970s highs. 

Every successive administration has sought to change the way measurements occur right from the 60&#039;s. Makes them more electable (or so they think).

Hedonic substitution and geometric vs. arithmetic weighting now severely understate the actual cost of living increases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The govt has an implicit benefit to &#8220;fudging&#8221; the numbers. Have a look at <a href="http://www.shadowstats.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.shadowstats.com</a> and for calculating REAL GDP the Govt uses a GDP deflator of 1.2% whereas they say inflation in the economy according to the CPI is 5.6%. There are very real discrepancies in the measure of govt statistics. </p>
<p>If we were to measure Inflation &amp; Unemployment the way we did in the 1970s, we would see unemployment much closer to U6 Unemployment levels of 9.7% (versus the popularized headline inflation level, U3 now at 5.5%); the inflation measures would see an greater differential, CPI might be closer to 10+.</p>
<p>That would put the Misery Index somewhere between 17 and 21,pretty close to the 1970s highs. </p>
<p>Every successive administration has sought to change the way measurements occur right from the 60&#8217;s. Makes them more electable (or so they think).</p>
<p>Hedonic substitution and geometric vs. arithmetic weighting now severely understate the actual cost of living increases.</p>
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		<title>By: HousingRealist</title>
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		<dc:creator>HousingRealist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments lose all credability when the gov&#039;t numbers are suggested to be &quot;fudged&quot;.  Do you even realize the number of individuals that would have to be involved in such a conspiracy.  It kind of reminds me of people that say &quot;911 was an inside job&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments lose all credability when the gov&#8217;t numbers are suggested to be &#8220;fudged&#8221;.  Do you even realize the number of individuals that would have to be involved in such a conspiracy.  It kind of reminds me of people that say &#8220;911 was an inside job&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Viv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US GDP Growth revised upwards to 3.3% , according to the http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/08/gdp-33.html

&quot;The overwhelming story is that the export numbers have offset this domestic weakness in consumer spending and business investment.  We have a domestic recession.&#039;&#039;

These numbers seem to be coming from fantasia. Where the tooth fairy who fudged enron&#039;s accounts seems to be working for the Department of Total Disconnect from reality!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US GDP Growth revised upwards to 3.3% , according to the <a href="http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/08/gdp-33.html" rel="nofollow">http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/08/gdp-33.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The overwhelming story is that the export numbers have offset this domestic weakness in consumer spending and business investment.  We have a domestic recession.&#8221;</p>
<p>These numbers seem to be coming from fantasia. Where the tooth fairy who fudged enron&#8217;s accounts seems to be working for the Department of Total Disconnect from reality!</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim T, there is a definitive reason for the September date. Starting September 2&#039;nd and moving on throughout the remainder of the year there are 100&#039;s of Billions of dollars of debt that must be rolled over by many of the the financial firms. They are A) Not ready for this. B) Do not have the capital to handle this. C) Cannot raise the additional capital needed to handle this. D) Are looking to be &quot;Bailed Out&quot; but unfortunately for them, they are NOT to big to fail. E) Realize the jig is up. 

Other than that things are going pretty well out there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim T, there is a definitive reason for the September date. Starting September 2&#8242;nd and moving on throughout the remainder of the year there are 100&#8217;s of Billions of dollars of debt that must be rolled over by many of the the financial firms. They are A) Not ready for this. B) Do not have the capital to handle this. C) Cannot raise the additional capital needed to handle this. D) Are looking to be &#8220;Bailed Out&#8221; but unfortunately for them, they are NOT to big to fail. E) Realize the jig is up. </p>
<p>Other than that things are going pretty well out there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in San Diego</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moody&#039;s Reviewing 2006 2007 Jumbo/HELOCS!!. . .link:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=a2c71Nq2xb.w&amp;refer=home

Just like Mr. Mortgage said - &quot;movin on up&quot;. . .hmmmm wasn&#039;t that the song from the old Jefferson&#039;s Show?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moody&#8217;s Reviewing 2006 2007 Jumbo/HELOCS!!. . .link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=a2c71Nq2xb.w&amp;refer=home" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=a2c71Nq2xb.w&amp;refer=home</a></p>
<p>Just like Mr. Mortgage said &#8211; &#8220;movin on up&#8221;. . .hmmmm wasn&#8217;t that the song from the old Jefferson&#8217;s Show?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the mortgage insurers are &quot;DEAD MEN WALKING&quot; (except maybe Genworth) it&#039;s been just a matter of time. To tell you the truth, I still have them, MBIA and Ambac all scheduled to fail by Sepember 30, 2008. 

The next 33 days will be quite a show. House of Cards or Dominos call it what you may, but the speed of the collapse is about to accelerate out of anybody&#039;s control.

It&#039;s been moving in slow motion this past year, thanks to the Ben and Henry show, but THE FNMA &amp; FHLMC RESCUE will trigger THE STRAW THAT BREAKS THE CAMEL&#039;S BACK.

Call me Doom Sayer, call me Grim Reaper, I&#039;ve been called them all this past year, but everything I&#039;ve said would happen, has happened and has just paved the road to where we are today. (ON THE BRINK)

I&#039;m not the only one who has seen this coming (Google: September 2008) I GOOGLED IT out of frustration thinking &quot;Am I the only one that sees this?&quot; I just wanted to see what came up and to my surprise. I&#039;m not the only one calling the EXACT SAME TIME LINE.

I&#039;m not telling you this to scare you, I just want you to be aware so you are not caught off guard and surprised by what&#039;s about to unfold. 

I&#039;m sorry to say, I don&#039;t know what happens beyond the financial collapse. I suspect a very different reality World Wide and very tough times for all.

Take Care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the mortgage insurers are &#8220;DEAD MEN WALKING&#8221; (except maybe Genworth) it&#8217;s been just a matter of time. To tell you the truth, I still have them, MBIA and Ambac all scheduled to fail by Sepember 30, 2008. </p>
<p>The next 33 days will be quite a show. House of Cards or Dominos call it what you may, but the speed of the collapse is about to accelerate out of anybody&#8217;s control.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been moving in slow motion this past year, thanks to the Ben and Henry show, but THE FNMA &amp; FHLMC RESCUE will trigger THE STRAW THAT BREAKS THE CAMEL&#8217;S BACK.</p>
<p>Call me Doom Sayer, call me Grim Reaper, I&#8217;ve been called them all this past year, but everything I&#8217;ve said would happen, has happened and has just paved the road to where we are today. (ON THE BRINK)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the only one who has seen this coming (Google: September 2008) I GOOGLED IT out of frustration thinking &#8220;Am I the only one that sees this?&#8221; I just wanted to see what came up and to my surprise. I&#8217;m not the only one calling the EXACT SAME TIME LINE.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not telling you this to scare you, I just want you to be aware so you are not caught off guard and surprised by what&#8217;s about to unfold. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say, I don&#8217;t know what happens beyond the financial collapse. I suspect a very different reality World Wide and very tough times for all.</p>
<p>Take Care!</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fannie Halts Trading! 

&quot;Fannie Mae has halted trading of their preferred stock in after hours. Executives resign, new CFO appointed. Fannie looking to “…preserve equity…”&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fannie Halts Trading! </p>
<p>&#8220;Fannie Mae has halted trading of their preferred stock in after hours. Executives resign, new CFO appointed. Fannie looking to “…preserve equity…”&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: k-nice</title>
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		<dc:creator>k-nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dafox,
yes, you are. fannie and freddie conventional loans can go up to 95% (5% down) as long as you are not deemed to be in a declining market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dafox,<br />
yes, you are. fannie and freddie conventional loans can go up to 95% (5% down) as long as you are not deemed to be in a declining market.</p>
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		<title>By: dafox</title>
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		<dc:creator>dafox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pardon my ignorance, but I&#039;m sure there are other people with the same need for clarification:
&lt;i&gt;Radian is now the last insurer going over 90% loan-to-value in ‘declining market’ regions,&lt;/i&gt;

Does this mean people can still get loans with &lt;10% down? Aside from FHA&#039;s 3% down stuff. I was under the impression that unless you did FHA, you had to have 20% down now. Am I wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pardon my ignorance, but I&#8217;m sure there are other people with the same need for clarification:<br />
<i>Radian is now the last insurer going over 90% loan-to-value in ‘declining market’ regions,</i></p>
<p>Does this mean people can still get loans with &lt;10% down? Aside from FHA&#8217;s 3% down stuff. I was under the impression that unless you did FHA, you had to have 20% down now. Am I wrong?</p>
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