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		<title>By: David Hathaway</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hathaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best idea I have heard of to stem the real estate decline is to give a green card to any immigrant who buys a house. That and expand the H1B program. I know it hurts a bit, but it brings in new money and buyers. 

For 50 Billion, we could pay 1/2 of the monthly payment of all currently in default mortgages. That would buy us a year. 

Key is to get land prices back up, that means higher wages. Then we can fight inflation....

No easy solution here, but there ARE solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best idea I have heard of to stem the real estate decline is to give a green card to any immigrant who buys a house. That and expand the H1B program. I know it hurts a bit, but it brings in new money and buyers. </p>
<p>For 50 Billion, we could pay 1/2 of the monthly payment of all currently in default mortgages. That would buy us a year. </p>
<p>Key is to get land prices back up, that means higher wages. Then we can fight inflation&#8230;.</p>
<p>No easy solution here, but there ARE solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Mortgage&#8217;s Guide to the TRUTH! &#187; America&#8217;s Mark-to-Model (Level 2) Banking System</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Mortgage&#8217;s Guide to the TRUTH! &#187; America&#8217;s Mark-to-Model (Level 2) Banking System</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Not Only Hurts Suprime…Pay Options, Jumbo Prime, Alt-A TooCast Members Needed - Fraud Expose’Time to Get Your Bailout…The ‘Gimme Mine Coalition’CITI Phasing Out Wholesale Lending Quickly‘60 Minutes’ Brought it Home Last NightForeclosure [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Not Only Hurts Suprime…Pay Options, Jumbo Prime, Alt-A TooCast Members Needed &#8211; Fraud Expose’Time to Get Your Bailout…The ‘Gimme Mine Coalition’CITI Phasing Out Wholesale Lending Quickly‘60 Minutes’ Brought it Home Last NightForeclosure [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Mortgage&#8217;s Guide to the TRUTH! &#187; Wachovia&#8217;s New Pay Option ARM Plan - &#8216;The Spend&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Mortgage&#8217;s Guide to the TRUTH! &#187; Wachovia&#8217;s New Pay Option ARM Plan - &#8216;The Spend&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Spend&#8217; on Countrywide/BofA - A Direct Threat to Borrowers &amp; Shareholdersphil on Time to Get Your Bailout&#8230;The &#8216;Gimme Mine Coalition&#8217;Karen on Time to Get Your Bailout&#8230;The &#8216;Gimme Mine Coalition&#8217;peterb on LIBOR Spike [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Spend&#8217; on Countrywide/BofA &#8211; A Direct Threat to Borrowers &#38; Shareholdersphil on Time to Get Your Bailout&#8230;The &#8216;Gimme Mine Coalition&#8217;Karen on Time to Get Your Bailout&#8230;The &#8216;Gimme Mine Coalition&#8217;peterb on LIBOR Spike [...]</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Option One has the additional benefit of placing the brunt of the cost onto those who made the wrong decisions.  If there is a proper definition of fair, that would be it.

From what I understand, the MBS/CDO&#039;s are only the trigger for the real problem which are the CDS&#039;s.  If the CDS monster can be tamed Option one becomes especially more desirable.

I agree with some of the experts who have weighed in on the CDS issue that one way to solve it is to create an exchange for them and require registration within a short time period (or else the swap is null &amp; void).  Once everyone lays their cards out on the table we can see who can cover the losses and who can&#039;t.  Immediately it would clear the air and allow everyone to see who&#039;s at risk and who isn&#039;t.  Once the losers are identified and go down, the winners can pick up the pieces and the market can function.  Absent this type of action there is no way to know who will survive and who won&#039;t; no wonder the credit markets have frozen, nobody can be trusted.

No matter what, propping up housing is such a lame way of attempting to resolve this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Option One has the additional benefit of placing the brunt of the cost onto those who made the wrong decisions.  If there is a proper definition of fair, that would be it.</p>
<p>From what I understand, the MBS/CDO&#8217;s are only the trigger for the real problem which are the CDS&#8217;s.  If the CDS monster can be tamed Option one becomes especially more desirable.</p>
<p>I agree with some of the experts who have weighed in on the CDS issue that one way to solve it is to create an exchange for them and require registration within a short time period (or else the swap is null &amp; void).  Once everyone lays their cards out on the table we can see who can cover the losses and who can&#8217;t.  Immediately it would clear the air and allow everyone to see who&#8217;s at risk and who isn&#8217;t.  Once the losers are identified and go down, the winners can pick up the pieces and the market can function.  Absent this type of action there is no way to know who will survive and who won&#8217;t; no wonder the credit markets have frozen, nobody can be trusted.</p>
<p>No matter what, propping up housing is such a lame way of attempting to resolve this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s really no good way out of this, is there?

Option One: let it crash and burn. Good for people like me who haven&#039;t bought a home yet, because it will quickly bring prices back down to where they SHOULD be, and would probably teach people once and for all that a home is not an ATM. However, the financial fallout would impact more than home affordability, and it would take a lot of the economy down with it.

Option Two: help only the people who need it. Would keep people in their homes. However, the responsible people who don&#039;t need help, who got fixed-rate mortgages they could afford are ALREADY going to stay in their homes, and they&#039;re not going to be happy to see their tax dollars go to bail out the idiot next door who maxed out their HELOC. Keeps home prices artificially inflated, but results in a slower fall.

Option Three: help everyone who has a mortgage. It&#039;s still a bailout, responsible people will get a proportionately small handout compared to irresponsible people, and it will keep home prices artificially high because there will be fewer empty homes than there should be.

I mean, there&#039;s no good way out. We&#039;re all screwed, we&#039;re all going to pay for this mess, and the economy is in the toilet because of this housing bubble. If nothing else, I&#039;m rooting for Option One because it will probably ensure sure this NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s really no good way out of this, is there?</p>
<p>Option One: let it crash and burn. Good for people like me who haven&#8217;t bought a home yet, because it will quickly bring prices back down to where they SHOULD be, and would probably teach people once and for all that a home is not an ATM. However, the financial fallout would impact more than home affordability, and it would take a lot of the economy down with it.</p>
<p>Option Two: help only the people who need it. Would keep people in their homes. However, the responsible people who don&#8217;t need help, who got fixed-rate mortgages they could afford are ALREADY going to stay in their homes, and they&#8217;re not going to be happy to see their tax dollars go to bail out the idiot next door who maxed out their HELOC. Keeps home prices artificially inflated, but results in a slower fall.</p>
<p>Option Three: help everyone who has a mortgage. It&#8217;s still a bailout, responsible people will get a proportionately small handout compared to irresponsible people, and it will keep home prices artificially high because there will be fewer empty homes than there should be.</p>
<p>I mean, there&#8217;s no good way out. We&#8217;re all screwed, we&#8217;re all going to pay for this mess, and the economy is in the toilet because of this housing bubble. If nothing else, I&#8217;m rooting for Option One because it will probably ensure sure this NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, it seems like the impact of reducing _everyone&#039;s_ mortgage to market value is way worse than simply letting those who can&#039;t afford their mortgage go to foreclosure.

I don&#039;t think advocates of principal reduction can have their cake and eat it too.  Either it&#039;s everyone or no one (see my last post as to why I believe this).  If you say &quot;everyone&quot; the financial impact is essentially the same as everyone foreclosing.  How can that be better than a subset of them going to foreclosure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, it seems like the impact of reducing _everyone&#8217;s_ mortgage to market value is way worse than simply letting those who can&#8217;t afford their mortgage go to foreclosure.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think advocates of principal reduction can have their cake and eat it too.  Either it&#8217;s everyone or no one (see my last post as to why I believe this).  If you say &#8220;everyone&#8221; the financial impact is essentially the same as everyone foreclosing.  How can that be better than a subset of them going to foreclosure?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are right, they screwed everything up. But by and large the subprime implosion is 65% over and the impacts ruined it for everyone else. Prime loans are now subprime in nature. Borrowers who thought they were doing everything right by getting a 5/1 interest only loan putting 25% down 2 years ago are walking away. This requires immediate and drastic action because the upcoming implosions will make the subprime implosion look like a hiccup.

The entire system of credit and leverage is to blame. It became acceptable to do 50% debt to income ratios, interest only and stated income on 750 credit score, salaried, Prime borrowers. What you are talking about with respect to fraud etc is a very small slice and I would argue a very small percent of the real problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are right, they screwed everything up. But by and large the subprime implosion is 65% over and the impacts ruined it for everyone else. Prime loans are now subprime in nature. Borrowers who thought they were doing everything right by getting a 5/1 interest only loan putting 25% down 2 years ago are walking away. This requires immediate and drastic action because the upcoming implosions will make the subprime implosion look like a hiccup.</p>
<p>The entire system of credit and leverage is to blame. It became acceptable to do 50% debt to income ratios, interest only and stated income on 750 credit score, salaried, Prime borrowers. What you are talking about with respect to fraud etc is a very small slice and I would argue a very small percent of the real problem.</p>
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		<title>By: michaela</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
not disagreeing that the bailout is the better thing, in the big picture. My post was just from a philosophical view point of those people that got 100% financing, even if they had been unknowing pawns in someone else&#039;s fraud. That there is a way of looking at it, that many people don&#039;t want to see, because they&#039;re so busy calling themselves &#039;victims&#039;. That is more geared towards a lot of the subprime borrowers. The foreclosures we&#039;re seeing now comes from a different part of population.

I do feel for those people that put down hard earned cash and have honestly done all they could to keep the mortgage up and tried to do the right thing. 

I just wanted to bring up a point, that is never mentioned that fits on a lot of initial foreclosed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
not disagreeing that the bailout is the better thing, in the big picture. My post was just from a philosophical view point of those people that got 100% financing, even if they had been unknowing pawns in someone else&#8217;s fraud. That there is a way of looking at it, that many people don&#8217;t want to see, because they&#8217;re so busy calling themselves &#8216;victims&#8217;. That is more geared towards a lot of the subprime borrowers. The foreclosures we&#8217;re seeing now comes from a different part of population.</p>
<p>I do feel for those people that put down hard earned cash and have honestly done all they could to keep the mortgage up and tried to do the right thing. </p>
<p>I just wanted to bring up a point, that is never mentioned that fits on a lot of initial foreclosed.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom and Michaela - I totally agree where you are coming from. But at this point nothing can be undone. Instead of a long and painful asset revaluation like the banks are going through due to their own choices I am for a quick revaluation so people are right side up, can sell or refinance their home. Doing this the natural way as the problem exits subprime over the next year, goes into the Pay Option ARM/Alt-A implosion for the next 3-years, Jumbo Prime for the next 3-5 years, Prime and HELOC will literally wipe out the nation and the consumer for a decade. We need all mortgages dropped across the board and debt forgiven somehow. 

Those who get screwed because they did everything right is a moot point. I know plenty of people who put 25% down on a 30-year fixed 2 years ago who are now underwater by 25%, cant sell, cant refi and are considering walking. Be careful what you wish for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom and Michaela &#8211; I totally agree where you are coming from. But at this point nothing can be undone. Instead of a long and painful asset revaluation like the banks are going through due to their own choices I am for a quick revaluation so people are right side up, can sell or refinance their home. Doing this the natural way as the problem exits subprime over the next year, goes into the Pay Option ARM/Alt-A implosion for the next 3-years, Jumbo Prime for the next 3-5 years, Prime and HELOC will literally wipe out the nation and the consumer for a decade. We need all mortgages dropped across the board and debt forgiven somehow. </p>
<p>Those who get screwed because they did everything right is a moot point. I know plenty of people who put 25% down on a 30-year fixed 2 years ago who are now underwater by 25%, cant sell, cant refi and are considering walking. Be careful what you wish for.</p>
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		<title>By: michaela</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dare to get philosophical here. Many, many of the homeowners in foreclosure would have never been able to buy a house in the first place. They would have continued to be renters during the time.

So,even though I realize that it&#039;s very traumatic to go through foreclosure, isn&#039;t the perspective similar to the old question of &#039;Is it better to have loved and lost or never to have loved at all?&#039;. 

It&#039;s easy to just look at the negatives, but I dare say that having owned a house for 2 or 3 years puts those people ahead of where they would have been without that. The person with the right mindset will see that they were able to accomplish something that they never would have thought possible. And once you accomplish something your personal impression of your self worth goes us and that means you will try to accomplish other things you hadn&#039;t thought possible. It&#039;s a chain-reaction. 

So, in my opinion - the person with the right attitude will have won, even with foreclosure, whereas those just whining the &#039;victim game&#039; will never get anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dare to get philosophical here. Many, many of the homeowners in foreclosure would have never been able to buy a house in the first place. They would have continued to be renters during the time.</p>
<p>So,even though I realize that it&#8217;s very traumatic to go through foreclosure, isn&#8217;t the perspective similar to the old question of &#8216;Is it better to have loved and lost or never to have loved at all?&#8217;. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to just look at the negatives, but I dare say that having owned a house for 2 or 3 years puts those people ahead of where they would have been without that. The person with the right mindset will see that they were able to accomplish something that they never would have thought possible. And once you accomplish something your personal impression of your self worth goes us and that means you will try to accomplish other things you hadn&#8217;t thought possible. It&#8217;s a chain-reaction. </p>
<p>So, in my opinion &#8211; the person with the right attitude will have won, even with foreclosure, whereas those just whining the &#8216;victim game&#8217; will never get anywhere.</p>
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