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		<title>By: peterb</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;d be nice for a list of all the congress thieves that voted &quot;yes&quot; on the failout plan to be published a couple of days before the election. That way, it&#039;s fresh in our minds who to vote against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;d be nice for a list of all the congress thieves that voted &#8220;yes&#8221; on the failout plan to be published a couple of days before the election. That way, it&#8217;s fresh in our minds who to vote against.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ONE DAY - ONE VOTE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ONE DAY &#8211; ONE VOTE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joebhed, it matters plenty my friend... Change takes time, but you need to start somewhere. By voting them all out we start with a clean slate. The people you speak of looking over our finances are appointed. In the current situation they are past Wall Street invesment house leaders, but done right in the future that may and should not be the case. We need to stress unbiased people in these positions and perhaps even more oversight demanded for these very offices. Some have suggested abolishing them all together and that too may be a viable answer for change. The point here is with new people in office we can direct this change and improvement with no good old boy network to rally against it. With the same old, same old crowd gone we have decisions being made for the good of its people and country rather than for what is owed because of some past favor or promise given. 

I see deals being made all of the time in Washington that are a direct result of having career politicians (a great reason for term limits by the way). These deals are called pork and one needs to look no further than the rewritten $700 Billion Bail Out Plan to see how it works. When the good old boy network of bought and paid for career politicians realized they didn&#039;t have the needed votes to Bail Out their banking buddies and largest political contributors, they simply rewrote the bill. To make up the difference in votes needed they added $125 Billion in pork to various states that were targeted at people on the fence or who may decide to vote no. This added pork now compells these deal stoppers to go along to get along and with something to bring home to the people of their states in hopes of not getting backlash for them voting for this bill. 

The people were clearly and overwhelmingly opposed to this bill and for good reason. The people know they are the ones paying for this give away and also the ones that would get nothing from this Bail Out. For our supposed representatives to vote for it anyway was a literal slap in our faces. That should not be tolerated by the voters and tax payers in this country... ever!!!

So we start with change to the most seriously broken part of our government, which is without question career politicians. Once this is accomplished we can start calling for further change and have people actually listen to these ideas. The Fed either abolished or with significantly less power will be first on the agenda to be certain, but do you really, honestly think we even have any chance of accomplishing that without first cleaning out the idiots that enabled it to happen in the first place. We have people like Frank and Dodd making decisions on our countries financial future for crying out loud. I wouldn&#039;t even take directions from them on how to get to the nearest gas station let along lead me anywhere!!! They are both a joke and a symbol of what is wrong in Government today. They and their cronies must go and now is the time!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joebhed, it matters plenty my friend&#8230; Change takes time, but you need to start somewhere. By voting them all out we start with a clean slate. The people you speak of looking over our finances are appointed. In the current situation they are past Wall Street invesment house leaders, but done right in the future that may and should not be the case. We need to stress unbiased people in these positions and perhaps even more oversight demanded for these very offices. Some have suggested abolishing them all together and that too may be a viable answer for change. The point here is with new people in office we can direct this change and improvement with no good old boy network to rally against it. With the same old, same old crowd gone we have decisions being made for the good of its people and country rather than for what is owed because of some past favor or promise given. </p>
<p>I see deals being made all of the time in Washington that are a direct result of having career politicians (a great reason for term limits by the way). These deals are called pork and one needs to look no further than the rewritten $700 Billion Bail Out Plan to see how it works. When the good old boy network of bought and paid for career politicians realized they didn&#8217;t have the needed votes to Bail Out their banking buddies and largest political contributors, they simply rewrote the bill. To make up the difference in votes needed they added $125 Billion in pork to various states that were targeted at people on the fence or who may decide to vote no. This added pork now compells these deal stoppers to go along to get along and with something to bring home to the people of their states in hopes of not getting backlash for them voting for this bill. </p>
<p>The people were clearly and overwhelmingly opposed to this bill and for good reason. The people know they are the ones paying for this give away and also the ones that would get nothing from this Bail Out. For our supposed representatives to vote for it anyway was a literal slap in our faces. That should not be tolerated by the voters and tax payers in this country&#8230; ever!!!</p>
<p>So we start with change to the most seriously broken part of our government, which is without question career politicians. Once this is accomplished we can start calling for further change and have people actually listen to these ideas. The Fed either abolished or with significantly less power will be first on the agenda to be certain, but do you really, honestly think we even have any chance of accomplishing that without first cleaning out the idiots that enabled it to happen in the first place. We have people like Frank and Dodd making decisions on our countries financial future for crying out loud. I wouldn&#8217;t even take directions from them on how to get to the nearest gas station let along lead me anywhere!!! They are both a joke and a symbol of what is wrong in Government today. They and their cronies must go and now is the time!!!</p>
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		<title>By: joebhed</title>
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		<dc:creator>joebhed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To stu re 7pm on the 16th

You know, the vote-em-all-out Party.

&quot;&quot;Permit me to create and control the nation&#039;s money and I care not who makes its laws&quot;&quot; - banker Baron Meyer Rothchild.

The worst thing the government has done to create the mess we&#039;re in was to delegate the people&#039;s sovereign, Constitutional power to create their own &quot;money&quot; system to the private banking cabal known as the federal reserve bankers.

They are the ones who have masterminded this gargantuan debt-money screw up, disempowering American workers and ballooning the debt of our nation&#039;s taxpayers.

So, unless you are going to throw-em-all-out with a view to putting the people back in charge of their money system, well, it&#039;s like the Baron said.
It matters not.

Regarding Mish&#039;s earlier observations and suggestions, first, I think the actual &quot;reserve&quot; ratio is more like 2 percent on all that leverage out there.

And, meantime, the government keeps on adding more taxpayer debt to the pile at a rate of around a hundred BILLION a month.
This being done through the money-creating powers of the private bankers, by the way.
That&#039;s who we will owe this debt to in the end.

Finally, the idea of direct government payments for things like government-sponsored pensions and social security - no problem there.

A re-writing of the law to make government-issue credits &quot;legal tender&quot; in this country creates a direct path from taxpyer to taxpayer.

Do not pass Wall Street.
Go directly to Main Street.
One &quot;get-out-of-jail-card&quot; FREE to the non-bankers among us.

Monetary reform.

Or else, begin it all over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To stu re 7pm on the 16th</p>
<p>You know, the vote-em-all-out Party.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;Permit me to create and control the nation&#8217;s money and I care not who makes its laws&#8221;" &#8211; banker Baron Meyer Rothchild.</p>
<p>The worst thing the government has done to create the mess we&#8217;re in was to delegate the people&#8217;s sovereign, Constitutional power to create their own &#8220;money&#8221; system to the private banking cabal known as the federal reserve bankers.</p>
<p>They are the ones who have masterminded this gargantuan debt-money screw up, disempowering American workers and ballooning the debt of our nation&#8217;s taxpayers.</p>
<p>So, unless you are going to throw-em-all-out with a view to putting the people back in charge of their money system, well, it&#8217;s like the Baron said.<br />
It matters not.</p>
<p>Regarding Mish&#8217;s earlier observations and suggestions, first, I think the actual &#8220;reserve&#8221; ratio is more like 2 percent on all that leverage out there.</p>
<p>And, meantime, the government keeps on adding more taxpayer debt to the pile at a rate of around a hundred BILLION a month.<br />
This being done through the money-creating powers of the private bankers, by the way.<br />
That&#8217;s who we will owe this debt to in the end.</p>
<p>Finally, the idea of direct government payments for things like government-sponsored pensions and social security &#8211; no problem there.</p>
<p>A re-writing of the law to make government-issue credits &#8220;legal tender&#8221; in this country creates a direct path from taxpyer to taxpayer.</p>
<p>Do not pass Wall Street.<br />
Go directly to Main Street.<br />
One &#8220;get-out-of-jail-card&#8221; FREE to the non-bankers among us.</p>
<p>Monetary reform.</p>
<p>Or else, begin it all over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been in the mortgage business for over 14 years. This market is crazy. Until the lenders wake up and make common sense calls then we will not get out of this anytime soon. We are at least 18 months before hitting bottom. Why doesnt fannie and freddie get together with some people on the streets and say what would work to get this housing market flow again. I have a whole bunch of easy ideas. How could i ever get a meeting with anyone important. Never! I was going to try last week then i just laughed. seriously some of this is easy and some is really tough but so much could be done to help. I would be willing to spend my own money to go and help out but they are all in tunnel vision right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been in the mortgage business for over 14 years. This market is crazy. Until the lenders wake up and make common sense calls then we will not get out of this anytime soon. We are at least 18 months before hitting bottom. Why doesnt fannie and freddie get together with some people on the streets and say what would work to get this housing market flow again. I have a whole bunch of easy ideas. How could i ever get a meeting with anyone important. Never! I was going to try last week then i just laughed. seriously some of this is easy and some is really tough but so much could be done to help. I would be willing to spend my own money to go and help out but they are all in tunnel vision right now.</p>
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		<title>By: 5755hsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>5755hsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudo&#039;s to you Stu and Mr.Mortgage
To break down the current state of affairs that we now face it all boils down to one word...confidence (trust)..I guess thats two words but you get what I mean. This isn&#039;t about liquidity and how much money we can throw at this and that. The current administration, the banks and other lenders have no way of knowing how to value the garbage on the books they call &quot;assets&quot;. There is no trust between the lenders as they do not have a clue as to how healthy the balance sheets really are and most importantly if the people they are lending to will have the ability to repay. As this blog understands, this is happening on a global scale not just in America. uclaztec&#039;s post points out that there is genuine concern that a major dislocation in the CDS markets will occur. I totally agree. Mish..you make way too much sense, I wish you were running the show! 
Bottom line, the deception and putting off telling the truth about balance sheets continues... the FED hasn&#039;t learned a thing..have they? Until we have confidence restored to the markets,(not more money sloshing around) the steady deterioration of the financial system including housing will continue. Sorry Mr.Mortgage, as this rant got off topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudo&#8217;s to you Stu and Mr.Mortgage<br />
To break down the current state of affairs that we now face it all boils down to one word&#8230;confidence (trust)..I guess thats two words but you get what I mean. This isn&#8217;t about liquidity and how much money we can throw at this and that. The current administration, the banks and other lenders have no way of knowing how to value the garbage on the books they call &#8220;assets&#8221;. There is no trust between the lenders as they do not have a clue as to how healthy the balance sheets really are and most importantly if the people they are lending to will have the ability to repay. As this blog understands, this is happening on a global scale not just in America. uclaztec&#8217;s post points out that there is genuine concern that a major dislocation in the CDS markets will occur. I totally agree. Mish..you make way too much sense, I wish you were running the show!<br />
Bottom line, the deception and putting off telling the truth about balance sheets continues&#8230; the FED hasn&#8217;t learned a thing..have they? Until we have confidence restored to the markets,(not more money sloshing around) the steady deterioration of the financial system including housing will continue. Sorry Mr.Mortgage, as this rant got off topic.</p>
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		<title>By: fedwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>fedwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress has said that those who walk away are not subject to taxes on loan forgiveness.

Lenders in California now have extra hurdels before sending out the nasty Notice Of Default.

The hundreds of Mortgage Loan Brokers who have collapsed, put their loan docs in the dumpster.

The Wall Street firms who packaged the loans into CDOs cared not for a proper paper trail.

The Wall Street firms who sold Credit Default Swaps did not care if you held an ownership stake in the underlying debt instrament they where giving you a non-regulated insurance policy on.

Judges have ruled that if you cannot prove that you have the mortgage, you cannot foreclose.

BOTTOM LINE: If you paid $500,000.00 for a $250,000 house and did not put 20% down, why are you making mortgage payments? It can make sense to pay your taxes and insurance, but to make your mortgage payments makes is not rational.

THIS IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. With declining home prices, which should decline, rational mortgagees will default.

For every homeowner who is offered a renegotiation, in most cases it is better to default.

Unless, we make &#039;loan forgiveness&#039; taxable, we will continue to see many more foreclosures.

Will we change the current state? No way. Thus, home prices will continue to decline and no bottom will be seen before 2011.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress has said that those who walk away are not subject to taxes on loan forgiveness.</p>
<p>Lenders in California now have extra hurdels before sending out the nasty Notice Of Default.</p>
<p>The hundreds of Mortgage Loan Brokers who have collapsed, put their loan docs in the dumpster.</p>
<p>The Wall Street firms who packaged the loans into CDOs cared not for a proper paper trail.</p>
<p>The Wall Street firms who sold Credit Default Swaps did not care if you held an ownership stake in the underlying debt instrament they where giving you a non-regulated insurance policy on.</p>
<p>Judges have ruled that if you cannot prove that you have the mortgage, you cannot foreclose.</p>
<p>BOTTOM LINE: If you paid $500,000.00 for a $250,000 house and did not put 20% down, why are you making mortgage payments? It can make sense to pay your taxes and insurance, but to make your mortgage payments makes is not rational.</p>
<p>THIS IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. With declining home prices, which should decline, rational mortgagees will default.</p>
<p>For every homeowner who is offered a renegotiation, in most cases it is better to default.</p>
<p>Unless, we make &#8216;loan forgiveness&#8217; taxable, we will continue to see many more foreclosures.</p>
<p>Will we change the current state? No way. Thus, home prices will continue to decline and no bottom will be seen before 2011.</p>
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		<title>By: BertDilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>BertDilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 01:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at all the options, walking seems to be best and increases your chances of coming out ahead of all of this.  Further if/when you finally do start paying rent it would be to a local landlord and the additional money you have to spend will be local as well.  Might as well support the local economy that needs the badly needed funds and business than sending a house payment that ends up who knows where.

The best option for turning CA around is freeing up money from overblown house payments.  Let the rest of the nation bail out CA loans and keep your CA rent monies local. Best of both worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at all the options, walking seems to be best and increases your chances of coming out ahead of all of this.  Further if/when you finally do start paying rent it would be to a local landlord and the additional money you have to spend will be local as well.  Might as well support the local economy that needs the badly needed funds and business than sending a house payment that ends up who knows where.</p>
<p>The best option for turning CA around is freeing up money from overblown house payments.  Let the rest of the nation bail out CA loans and keep your CA rent monies local. Best of both worlds.</p>
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		<title>By: Curiouser &#38; Curiouser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curiouser &#38; Curiouser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 01:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s about time that the S&amp;P is downgrading this junk.  Here&#039;s to the downgrades to come on the rest of it!

I&#039;m just going to curl up in my corner here and fantasize about the Glass-Seagle Act being reinstated, the trillions of bailout money being repaid to the taxpayers and our three branches of gov&#039;t reading a few blogs and getting a clue about what is really going on.  Yep.  I&#039;m done with reality for the day.  Phooey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s about time that the S&amp;P is downgrading this junk.  Here&#8217;s to the downgrades to come on the rest of it!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just going to curl up in my corner here and fantasize about the Glass-Seagle Act being reinstated, the trillions of bailout money being repaid to the taxpayers and our three branches of gov&#8217;t reading a few blogs and getting a clue about what is really going on.  Yep.  I&#8217;m done with reality for the day.  Phooey.</p>
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		<title>By: CompaJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CompaJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still waiting here on this fence waiting for the firesale. Be it the government or the banks it will come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still waiting here on this fence waiting for the firesale. Be it the government or the banks it will come.</p>
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