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	<title>Comments on: NO SPIN Sept New Home Sales Report &#8211; Sales LOWER</title>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let me get this straight. A lame duck President is trying to bully a bunch of banks into lending. Never mind that he has no authority to do so and no legal manner in which to utilize in order to force them to do so. Banks are broke and NEED this money to survive of which many will probably still fail. They cannot afford to lend it out and are not going too. That would be financial suicide if they were to do so and might as well just hand over the keys to Paulson after the loans are made because they will be all done at that point. Long term notes with minimal gains will not do it. They can&#039;t sell the paper so that is not an option. They owe more than their worth even with the loans due to over leveredge and businesses and people are pulling their money out for the same reasons the banks are hoarding their money... they have no choice!!! 

This plan still amazes me and by the way, when you have to force somebody to do something they don&#039;t want to do, doesn&#039;t that kind of tell you something? Like maybe they shouldn&#039;t be doing it for starters...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me get this straight. A lame duck President is trying to bully a bunch of banks into lending. Never mind that he has no authority to do so and no legal manner in which to utilize in order to force them to do so. Banks are broke and NEED this money to survive of which many will probably still fail. They cannot afford to lend it out and are not going too. That would be financial suicide if they were to do so and might as well just hand over the keys to Paulson after the loans are made because they will be all done at that point. Long term notes with minimal gains will not do it. They can&#8217;t sell the paper so that is not an option. They owe more than their worth even with the loans due to over leveredge and businesses and people are pulling their money out for the same reasons the banks are hoarding their money&#8230; they have no choice!!! </p>
<p>This plan still amazes me and by the way, when you have to force somebody to do something they don&#8217;t want to do, doesn&#8217;t that kind of tell you something? Like maybe they shouldn&#8217;t be doing it for starters&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BertDilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>BertDilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joeseph

Here is a link to Hope for Homeowners and a link to a updated list is on the page.

http://portal.hud.gov/portal/page?_pageid=73,7605762&amp;_dad=portal&amp;_schema=PORTAL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joeseph</p>
<p>Here is a link to Hope for Homeowners and a link to a updated list is on the page.</p>
<p><a href="http://portal.hud.gov/portal/page?_pageid=73,7605762&amp;_dad=portal&amp;_schema=PORTAL" rel="nofollow">http://portal.hud.gov/portal/page?_pageid=73,7605762&amp;_dad=portal&amp;_schema=PORTAL</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stu - Do you have the list of 77 Banks that are in with Hope for Homeowners?  All I can find are warehouse lenders and when I approached Indymac (Imfb) of all get out I was told that they would not participate because &quot;it doesn&#039;t make good business sense&quot;.  I am told that may others are taking the same tack.

Seems more like Hopium for Homeowners to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stu &#8211; Do you have the list of 77 Banks that are in with Hope for Homeowners?  All I can find are warehouse lenders and when I approached Indymac (Imfb) of all get out I was told that they would not participate because &#8220;it doesn&#8217;t make good business sense&#8221;.  I am told that may others are taking the same tack.</p>
<p>Seems more like Hopium for Homeowners to me.</p>
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		<title>By: od</title>
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		<dc:creator>od</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great. Now the gov&#039;t will own the banks, the money, and soon all industries. At least any that need loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great. Now the gov&#8217;t will own the banks, the money, and soon all industries. At least any that need loans.</p>
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		<title>By: BertDilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>BertDilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is our big headline of today...   I guess they will have an 800 number to call if you get turned down for a loan.  The thing that got us into the mess was bad lending standards but seems the White House insists that loans be made regardless of quality.  I guess we have gone from the Fed discount window to the Treasury discount window. 

White House tells banks getting federal aid to quit hoarding money and start lending it 

WASHINGTON (AP) -- An impatient White House served notice Tuesday on banks and other financial companies receiving billions of dollars in federal help to quit hoarding the money and start making more loans.
 
&quot;What we&#039;re trying to do is get banks to do what they are supposed to do, which is support the system that we have in America. And banks exist to lend money,&quot; White House press secretary Dana Perino said.

Though there are limits on how much Washington can pressure banks, she noted that banks are regulated by the federal government.

&quot;They will be watching very closely, and they&#039;re working with the banks,&quot; she said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is our big headline of today&#8230;   I guess they will have an 800 number to call if you get turned down for a loan.  The thing that got us into the mess was bad lending standards but seems the White House insists that loans be made regardless of quality.  I guess we have gone from the Fed discount window to the Treasury discount window. </p>
<p>White House tells banks getting federal aid to quit hoarding money and start lending it </p>
<p>WASHINGTON (AP) &#8212; An impatient White House served notice Tuesday on banks and other financial companies receiving billions of dollars in federal help to quit hoarding the money and start making more loans.</p>
<p>&#8220;What we&#8217;re trying to do is get banks to do what they are supposed to do, which is support the system that we have in America. And banks exist to lend money,&#8221; White House press secretary Dana Perino said.</p>
<p>Though there are limits on how much Washington can pressure banks, she noted that banks are regulated by the federal government.</p>
<p>&#8220;They will be watching very closely, and they&#8217;re working with the banks,&#8221; she said.</p>
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		<title>By: peterb</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My two fears: We&#039;re headed for &quot;stag nation&quot; (sounds like a bar in San Francisco.) and the govt will be raising taxes on anyone they can find to pay them without going postal about it.

Looks like at best we get stag nation. Maybe a lot worse. And I suspect that after the elections, there will be talk of all kinds regarding taxations, fees, etc...needing to be &quot;re-examined&quot;. And perhaps the IRS will be getting it&#039;s teeth back? I think so. 2009 is going to be one ugly year from all points of view. IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My two fears: We&#8217;re headed for &#8220;stag nation&#8221; (sounds like a bar in San Francisco.) and the govt will be raising taxes on anyone they can find to pay them without going postal about it.</p>
<p>Looks like at best we get stag nation. Maybe a lot worse. And I suspect that after the elections, there will be talk of all kinds regarding taxations, fees, etc&#8230;needing to be &#8220;re-examined&#8221;. And perhaps the IRS will be getting it&#8217;s teeth back? I think so. 2009 is going to be one ugly year from all points of view. IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: od</title>
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		<dc:creator>od</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL/ So funny how history repeats itself.  You&#039;d think people would learn eventually.  I guess after a while &#039;We the People&#039; just accept it.  

One day the people of this country will wake up and realize that the land their forefathers had fought and died for will be completely owned and controlled by the government that was set up to prevent this from happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL/ So funny how history repeats itself.  You&#8217;d think people would learn eventually.  I guess after a while &#8216;We the People&#8217; just accept it.  </p>
<p>One day the people of this country will wake up and realize that the land their forefathers had fought and died for will be completely owned and controlled by the government that was set up to prevent this from happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know guys, something tells me our bust will be much more spectacular than the Japanese molasses slide.

The Japanese scenario can only work for the US if the whole world suddenly decides to credit us even more at their own disadvantage, because there aren&#039;t internal savings to do the zombification. I don&#039;t see a reason for that to happen.

Something tells me that after some attempts of stabilization, the system will hit the wall in the Treasuries market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know guys, something tells me our bust will be much more spectacular than the Japanese molasses slide.</p>
<p>The Japanese scenario can only work for the US if the whole world suddenly decides to credit us even more at their own disadvantage, because there aren&#8217;t internal savings to do the zombification. I don&#8217;t see a reason for that to happen.</p>
<p>Something tells me that after some attempts of stabilization, the system will hit the wall in the Treasuries market.</p>
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		<title>By: BertDilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>BertDilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stu

you said:
&quot;Peter, that sums it up quite nicely. In fact the only reason Paulson and Bernanke didn’t do what they said they would do originally (buy up the banks bad paper) is because instantly thousands of banks would have become insolvent.&quot;

I don&#039;t think that is the only reason.  It would change from &quot;the bank foreclosed on my house&quot; to &quot;the government foreclosed on my house&quot;  I don&#039;t think the government was prepared for that.

The other option was to sell the paper to yet a third party, immediately discounting the paper.  This would expose the lie that taxpayers could actually make money on the deal.  This way the government is able to hide the lie within the banking system.

As to new home construction after the 1990 S&amp;L fiasco from Wikipedia:

&quot;The concomitant slowdown in the finance industry and the real estate market may have been a contributing cause of the 1990–1991 economic recession. Between 1982 and 1991, the number of new homes constructed per year dropped from 1.8 million to 1 million, the lowest rate since World War II. [2]&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stu</p>
<p>you said:<br />
&#8220;Peter, that sums it up quite nicely. In fact the only reason Paulson and Bernanke didn’t do what they said they would do originally (buy up the banks bad paper) is because instantly thousands of banks would have become insolvent.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that is the only reason.  It would change from &#8220;the bank foreclosed on my house&#8221; to &#8220;the government foreclosed on my house&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think the government was prepared for that.</p>
<p>The other option was to sell the paper to yet a third party, immediately discounting the paper.  This would expose the lie that taxpayers could actually make money on the deal.  This way the government is able to hide the lie within the banking system.</p>
<p>As to new home construction after the 1990 S&amp;L fiasco from Wikipedia:</p>
<p>&#8220;The concomitant slowdown in the finance industry and the real estate market may have been a contributing cause of the 1990–1991 economic recession. Between 1982 and 1991, the number of new homes constructed per year dropped from 1.8 million to 1 million, the lowest rate since World War II. [2]&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: BertDilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>BertDilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well we certainly look to be headed to Japanese style zombie companies.  That way the government can claim lower unemployment numbers.  Japanese are savers, we are spenders.  If we start saving, it pulls from our economy since we are 70% consumer spending.  Consumer confidence all time record low of 38, not good for consumer spending.  Consumer spending is how California generates sales tax revenue and we are falling well short!!!  I think when CA totals up October sales tax receipts everyone is going to choke.

The banks want to tighten and only make good loans and the government wants credit to keep flowing at any cost.  I think we can call this situation Stag Nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we certainly look to be headed to Japanese style zombie companies.  That way the government can claim lower unemployment numbers.  Japanese are savers, we are spenders.  If we start saving, it pulls from our economy since we are 70% consumer spending.  Consumer confidence all time record low of 38, not good for consumer spending.  Consumer spending is how California generates sales tax revenue and we are falling well short!!!  I think when CA totals up October sales tax receipts everyone is going to choke.</p>
<p>The banks want to tighten and only make good loans and the government wants credit to keep flowing at any cost.  I think we can call this situation Stag Nation.</p>
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