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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for your post. Absolutely excellent information and very useful for me. Great done and keep posted. Looking forward to reading more from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for your post. Absolutely excellent information and very useful for me. Great done and keep posted. Looking forward to reading more from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok. well, as the story is told, there is a hole in the wall, several in fact, with a few more breaking thru at the seams, and the water is gushing out everywhere, and the rooms that you are standing in seems to be getting smaller by the day. 

So many people whine, complain, and agonize over what may or may not be done by the Feds. I wil tell you this, I have 3 business running at this time: RE business, Restaurant and a Retail Clothing Store.  The restaurant is off by about 30% in sales, the retail store is off by 50% in sales ( and we expect hard competition from vendors who are discounting up to 75% on clothing items, since several stores in our area have announced their closings - Meryns, Circuit City, Linen N Thins, Weatherbeys Furntiture, and many more who are on the verge of closing) The RE finance business is off by about 60-70% in the commercial finance market.  For our retail store, we have seen 2 tenants vacate the location. In our Restaurant location, we have seen 3 tenants vacant the location. In the office complex for my RE business, I have seen 5 RE office shut down and close over the last 12 months.   I can state, first hand, that I have clients ( owners of commercal buildings, most especially, retail and office buidings) who have lost larger tenants ( retail stores, furinutre, home interior spaces or any home product releated business tenanat) in the last 24 months and expect several more to close their operations and leaving the commercial owners with an estimate 20-40% vacancy in their commercial building. In some cases, we have new commercial development that is sitting empty, with no signs of courageus tenants lookig to open up in a 10 unit commercial center when there is no anchor tenant, or 2nd tier 10 tenant looking to sign a 10 yr lease agreement.
Today, to stay in business, for a small business in these markets, is tough. 

My argument is this: if there is no effective plan to stop to slide of housing prices, and no plan to stop the tsumani of foreclosures, then I can see hundreds, if not thousands, of SMALL BUSINESS shut downs in the next 12 months --and thousands of layoffs of employees across various sectors of the economy. 

As a business owner in California, my retail store cannot continue with another 10% drop in sales. This is now the final cut off line for the business unless I get a reduction in my commercial by about 20% - 30% -- and, that, in turn, sounds like a mortagage reduction plan.

My RE Business will be shut down until and the restaurant business may continue, with a very slim staff ( we have dropped several position and would need to drop 2 more as we replace family members into these positions. so, there you go, we have added to this growing problem and we will be forced to push to the edge of insolvency as we cut costs, cut people, serve smaller portions, etc)

So, the point in this description. I am not alone. I would argue there are thousands of other small business, family focused business, who are facing the same issues and will be forcd to cut into their oprations and push as far as they can until they close. And when they do, if they do, you --- the public who whines, complains, makes those knee jerk reactions comments about &quot;moral hazard&quot; issues, etc regarding homeowners, &quot;liar&quot; loans etc --- will see another rise in foreclosures from hard working family businesses. What then? Just let it all fall down -- and just marvel at the chaos that will unfold, point the finger, call out names at hard working american family business who is affected by the the guy who pays his bills, and the guy who lost his home??  The color of money is still green in the cash register -- but, this time, there is less green in the drawer.

At this point, A PLAN, any effectve plan that STOPS the foreclosure is the only viable solution to avert a financial disaster in this country.  If not, then I know I it will be a matter of time before GM, AIG, FORD, Chysler, your local new and used car dealership, and the thousands of small business owners will close up their business and default on credit lines, auto loans, equipment loans, commercial and home loans.  You name it, its comming soon. And people are concerned about NOT helping the homeowner in distress. I think Mr. Mortgage&#039;s focus is correct. A pragmatic plan to stop the bleeding in the mortgage industry is the solution, anything else is, well, an exercise of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. well, as the story is told, there is a hole in the wall, several in fact, with a few more breaking thru at the seams, and the water is gushing out everywhere, and the rooms that you are standing in seems to be getting smaller by the day. </p>
<p>So many people whine, complain, and agonize over what may or may not be done by the Feds. I wil tell you this, I have 3 business running at this time: RE business, Restaurant and a Retail Clothing Store.  The restaurant is off by about 30% in sales, the retail store is off by 50% in sales ( and we expect hard competition from vendors who are discounting up to 75% on clothing items, since several stores in our area have announced their closings &#8211; Meryns, Circuit City, Linen N Thins, Weatherbeys Furntiture, and many more who are on the verge of closing) The RE finance business is off by about 60-70% in the commercial finance market.  For our retail store, we have seen 2 tenants vacate the location. In our Restaurant location, we have seen 3 tenants vacant the location. In the office complex for my RE business, I have seen 5 RE office shut down and close over the last 12 months.   I can state, first hand, that I have clients ( owners of commercal buildings, most especially, retail and office buidings) who have lost larger tenants ( retail stores, furinutre, home interior spaces or any home product releated business tenanat) in the last 24 months and expect several more to close their operations and leaving the commercial owners with an estimate 20-40% vacancy in their commercial building. In some cases, we have new commercial development that is sitting empty, with no signs of courageus tenants lookig to open up in a 10 unit commercial center when there is no anchor tenant, or 2nd tier 10 tenant looking to sign a 10 yr lease agreement.<br />
Today, to stay in business, for a small business in these markets, is tough. </p>
<p>My argument is this: if there is no effective plan to stop to slide of housing prices, and no plan to stop the tsumani of foreclosures, then I can see hundreds, if not thousands, of SMALL BUSINESS shut downs in the next 12 months &#8211;and thousands of layoffs of employees across various sectors of the economy. </p>
<p>As a business owner in California, my retail store cannot continue with another 10% drop in sales. This is now the final cut off line for the business unless I get a reduction in my commercial by about 20% &#8211; 30% &#8212; and, that, in turn, sounds like a mortagage reduction plan.</p>
<p>My RE Business will be shut down until and the restaurant business may continue, with a very slim staff ( we have dropped several position and would need to drop 2 more as we replace family members into these positions. so, there you go, we have added to this growing problem and we will be forced to push to the edge of insolvency as we cut costs, cut people, serve smaller portions, etc)</p>
<p>So, the point in this description. I am not alone. I would argue there are thousands of other small business, family focused business, who are facing the same issues and will be forcd to cut into their oprations and push as far as they can until they close. And when they do, if they do, you &#8212; the public who whines, complains, makes those knee jerk reactions comments about &#8220;moral hazard&#8221; issues, etc regarding homeowners, &#8220;liar&#8221; loans etc &#8212; will see another rise in foreclosures from hard working family businesses. What then? Just let it all fall down &#8212; and just marvel at the chaos that will unfold, point the finger, call out names at hard working american family business who is affected by the the guy who pays his bills, and the guy who lost his home??  The color of money is still green in the cash register &#8212; but, this time, there is less green in the drawer.</p>
<p>At this point, A PLAN, any effectve plan that STOPS the foreclosure is the only viable solution to avert a financial disaster in this country.  If not, then I know I it will be a matter of time before GM, AIG, FORD, Chysler, your local new and used car dealership, and the thousands of small business owners will close up their business and default on credit lines, auto loans, equipment loans, commercial and home loans.  You name it, its comming soon. And people are concerned about NOT helping the homeowner in distress. I think Mr. Mortgage&#8217;s focus is correct. A pragmatic plan to stop the bleeding in the mortgage industry is the solution, anything else is, well, an exercise of time.</p>
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		<title>By: fedwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>fedwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop your wining! We have the finest government that K Street Money can buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop your wining! We have the finest government that K Street Money can buy.</p>
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		<title>By: djcrow22</title>
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		<dc:creator>djcrow22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how is this different from AIG?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how is this different from AIG?</p>
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		<title>By: John in NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the chips fell where they land, I would have been able to clean up. I was planning this and already had most of my money in bond,cash and gold when the market hit 14,000.

Now they devalued my cash with the bailouts and to ensure I cannot open a business to compete.

Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the chips fell where they land, I would have been able to clean up. I was planning this and already had most of my money in bond,cash and gold when the market hit 14,000.</p>
<p>Now they devalued my cash with the bailouts and to ensure I cannot open a business to compete.</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FED-UP:  I&#039;m sorry for you and your three kids.  Sister, your first and foremost responsibility is to your three kids . . . not the bragging rights to tell your friends that you are a home owner or a business owner.  It made absolutely no financial sense to buy that house at the peak of the market with zero-down unless your plan is to walk away from the house all along.  12%?  Why?  You can rent a comparable house for far less than that.  The typical rental return on capital across the country is running below 5%!  Realtor is not a viable profession any more than saddle-making is in this economy . . . when people are not speculating on houses any more than riding horses for daily commute.  For the sake of your three kids, you need to find a different line of work that the society actually needs right now.  That&#039;s just reality, nothing fair or unfair.  It may take me 1000hrs to raise a single pet chicken in my backyard, but nobody would be willing to pay me even $15,000 for the chicken; how much cost and effort I have sunk into caring for that chicken is irrelevent when there are other people able to sell a chicken for $10 or less.  What&#039;s fair is what the sell and the buyer can agree to at any moment; I&#039;m sure you probably felt unfair when the house price went from $100k to $199k in a few years before you became the owner.  With three kids to care for, speculating is risky unless you fully intend to exercise the lender&#039;s put option giving you the right to give the house back to the lender.

Having the government to pay your mortgage is even worse than having the government to pay your rent on welfare (12% of the house&#039; value each year vs. 5% or less).  The scoundrel lenders who should never have deluded themselves and deluded you into bidding the house prices sky high would just get paid by the government at the expense of your future gainful employment and the productive work of your three children!  Why would you want that?!  I say, punish the irresponsible lender now by putting the house back to them!  Renting would cost much much less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FED-UP:  I&#8217;m sorry for you and your three kids.  Sister, your first and foremost responsibility is to your three kids . . . not the bragging rights to tell your friends that you are a home owner or a business owner.  It made absolutely no financial sense to buy that house at the peak of the market with zero-down unless your plan is to walk away from the house all along.  12%?  Why?  You can rent a comparable house for far less than that.  The typical rental return on capital across the country is running below 5%!  Realtor is not a viable profession any more than saddle-making is in this economy . . . when people are not speculating on houses any more than riding horses for daily commute.  For the sake of your three kids, you need to find a different line of work that the society actually needs right now.  That&#8217;s just reality, nothing fair or unfair.  It may take me 1000hrs to raise a single pet chicken in my backyard, but nobody would be willing to pay me even $15,000 for the chicken; how much cost and effort I have sunk into caring for that chicken is irrelevent when there are other people able to sell a chicken for $10 or less.  What&#8217;s fair is what the sell and the buyer can agree to at any moment; I&#8217;m sure you probably felt unfair when the house price went from $100k to $199k in a few years before you became the owner.  With three kids to care for, speculating is risky unless you fully intend to exercise the lender&#8217;s put option giving you the right to give the house back to the lender.</p>
<p>Having the government to pay your mortgage is even worse than having the government to pay your rent on welfare (12% of the house&#8217; value each year vs. 5% or less).  The scoundrel lenders who should never have deluded themselves and deluded you into bidding the house prices sky high would just get paid by the government at the expense of your future gainful employment and the productive work of your three children!  Why would you want that?!  I say, punish the irresponsible lender now by putting the house back to them!  Renting would cost much much less.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the idiots on the hill are once again trying to throw good money at bad by asking for yet another &quot;Bail Out&quot; Will they ever learn that you don&#039;t solve a problem of insolvency by tossing money at it. That is how we got into the mess we are in today. You can keep kicking this can down the road for only so long. The cost is to our future generations however and people should be outraged (nice job by the way voters for re-electing these same idiots back into office yet again). 

Auto manufacturers next, and then airlines perhaps, and then bond insurers off course, and then... WHEN will this all end? PLEASE somebody... anybody in Washington GET A CLUE!!! Their has got to be somebody in Washington smart enough to stand up and speak out on this. Shame on YOU Ron Paul for not taking your message to the street!!! You collected the money and didn&#039;t spend it to deliver the message this country needed to hear!!!

I am cynical perhaps, but for damn good reason. We cannot continue down this &quot;Bail Out&quot; for everyone path or we will cripple our country and our future. WHY don&#039;t they see this? I just don&#039;t understand how so many supposed great minds can continue to get it so wrong time after time. Is it somthing in the water in Washington? I mean seriously... how do you explain such incompetence? How can one explain such miserable handeling of the situation at hand? It just makes no sense to me!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the idiots on the hill are once again trying to throw good money at bad by asking for yet another &#8220;Bail Out&#8221; Will they ever learn that you don&#8217;t solve a problem of insolvency by tossing money at it. That is how we got into the mess we are in today. You can keep kicking this can down the road for only so long. The cost is to our future generations however and people should be outraged (nice job by the way voters for re-electing these same idiots back into office yet again). </p>
<p>Auto manufacturers next, and then airlines perhaps, and then bond insurers off course, and then&#8230; WHEN will this all end? PLEASE somebody&#8230; anybody in Washington GET A CLUE!!! Their has got to be somebody in Washington smart enough to stand up and speak out on this. Shame on YOU Ron Paul for not taking your message to the street!!! You collected the money and didn&#8217;t spend it to deliver the message this country needed to hear!!!</p>
<p>I am cynical perhaps, but for damn good reason. We cannot continue down this &#8220;Bail Out&#8221; for everyone path or we will cripple our country and our future. WHY don&#8217;t they see this? I just don&#8217;t understand how so many supposed great minds can continue to get it so wrong time after time. Is it somthing in the water in Washington? I mean seriously&#8230; how do you explain such incompetence? How can one explain such miserable handeling of the situation at hand? It just makes no sense to me!!!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OHHHH MYYYY GODDD-- They cannot be serious.  There will be riots in every city across America if this happens.

PRICES MUST BE ALLOWED TO FALL BACK TO THEIR PRE-PONZI SCHEME LEVELS---This is the only way the problem will be solved.

NO MORE BAIL OUTS OF ANY KIND!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OHHHH MYYYY GODDD&#8211; They cannot be serious.  There will be riots in every city across America if this happens.</p>
<p>PRICES MUST BE ALLOWED TO FALL BACK TO THEIR PRE-PONZI SCHEME LEVELS&#8212;This is the only way the problem will be solved.</p>
<p>NO MORE BAIL OUTS OF ANY KIND!!</p>
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		<title>By: i talk 2 much</title>
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		<dc:creator>i talk 2 much</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 05:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How bout some food stamps with it?
Sign me up.
Wow... I am having flashbacks from the good old days.... just me and my HELOC VISA. 
Now... all I got to do is find that shady shell corp guy, a bank to cash out at... and of course the local coin mart. 
Oh shazzam... I heard they are short on gold coins too! 
Stimulus plan? 
I am stimulated!
INGENUITY got us into this mess... and INGENUITY has got to get us out... right Secretary Paulson?
Change has come to America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How bout some food stamps with it?<br />
Sign me up.<br />
Wow&#8230; I am having flashbacks from the good old days&#8230;. just me and my HELOC VISA.<br />
Now&#8230; all I got to do is find that shady shell corp guy, a bank to cash out at&#8230; and of course the local coin mart.<br />
Oh shazzam&#8230; I heard they are short on gold coins too!<br />
Stimulus plan?<br />
I am stimulated!<br />
INGENUITY got us into this mess&#8230; and INGENUITY has got to get us out&#8230; right Secretary Paulson?<br />
Change has come to America!</p>
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		<title>By: the old man</title>
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		<dc:creator>the old man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that haveing a home is a right to every family and something your born with not something you have to work your life away to get&#039;&#039;&#039;I like the ides in the bible that every 50 years the property goes back to the original owners.. no matter how bad your parents messed up... 30 years ago my Gramdna ask me why I didn&#039;t build a house like she did..every week buying some roofing some lumber and building one room first then adding on as I could afford to.. as a contractor I told her the sad truth too many rules too many laws.. Everyone needs their own home so they can have a life instead of this backwards way of doing thing where you work all your life do have a place to die</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that haveing a home is a right to every family and something your born with not something you have to work your life away to get&#8221;&#8217;I like the ides in the bible that every 50 years the property goes back to the original owners.. no matter how bad your parents messed up&#8230; 30 years ago my Gramdna ask me why I didn&#8217;t build a house like she did..every week buying some roofing some lumber and building one room first then adding on as I could afford to.. as a contractor I told her the sad truth too many rules too many laws.. Everyone needs their own home so they can have a life instead of this backwards way of doing thing where you work all your life do have a place to die</p>
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