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	<title>Comments on: Donny Deutsch Has &#8216;The Right Idea&#8217; On Mortgage/Housing</title>
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		<title>By: Rescues and Remedies:Deteriorating Balance Sheet at the Fed &#171; American Armageddon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rescues and Remedies:Deteriorating Balance Sheet at the Fed &#171; American Armageddon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] faced in 2008 with much higher reset mortgage costs to pay down the debt on a depreciating asset. Notes Mr. Mortgage: &#8220;The same household that earns $75k per year that two years ago could buy a $650k home with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Said:
November 25th, 2008 10:32 am 
How utterly stupid.

All the Bush admin. is doing is propping the whole mess up as high as they can in a final gasp, before they shove it all over to Obama’s plate.

We just have to accept that houses are worth no more than 3x the wages of the average citizen in most areas, GET PRICES BACK TO THESE LEVELS, so that people can actually afford houses and let’s move on!!

We just have to face the PAIN, and we are a very pain-averse society.
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David, you are the stupid one. This whole mortgage thing falls soley on the democrats and gay boy Barney Franks. Did you not watch the 5 minute YouTube clips where the Republicans were fighting for the people and the democrats were saying &quot;nothing was wrong&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Said:<br />
November 25th, 2008 10:32 am<br />
How utterly stupid.</p>
<p>All the Bush admin. is doing is propping the whole mess up as high as they can in a final gasp, before they shove it all over to Obama’s plate.</p>
<p>We just have to accept that houses are worth no more than 3x the wages of the average citizen in most areas, GET PRICES BACK TO THESE LEVELS, so that people can actually afford houses and let’s move on!!</p>
<p>We just have to face the PAIN, and we are a very pain-averse society.<br />
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David, you are the stupid one. This whole mortgage thing falls soley on the democrats and gay boy Barney Franks. Did you not watch the 5 minute YouTube clips where the Republicans were fighting for the people and the democrats were saying &#8220;nothing was wrong&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: KurtA</title>
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		<dc:creator>KurtA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of interesting discussion going on here and it&#039;s clear we have a big split between those that want to help the homeowner and those that refuse to bailout the homeowner.  Some of my best friends are homeowners and like Mr. M said they began to think of the home as an investment. All of the ones that bought after 2004 were absolutely sure they couldn&#039;t really afford the house they were buying but, &quot;hey, its an investment&quot; it will go up won&#039;t it?  I&#039;ve done that same thing with stock but I never got to live in a nice &quot;stock&quot;. Some of my friends got to live way beyond their means in a nice house for a couple of years. Lately I&#039;ve had a few stock investments tank.  I sell that stock, take my lumps and try to figure out how to do better next time. I never even thought of asking anyone for a rebate on what I invested. From what I see on this board and in the streets there will be to much of a backlash against principle reduction. It might happen but people are going to be upset.
My thinking is that we don&#039;t need a plan. Let them forclose and let the market clean them up. If people really want to help then lets uncover and publicize every forclosed home out there as they forclose and tell the banks, (which we will soon all own), that they have 18 months to sell after forclosure. That&#039;s an 18 month slow motion auction but it will eventually work as after the last month the property lists for a $1. If you&#039;ve been to many house actions you will find that investors will come out of nowhere and the values on these homes will be more real then anything you will get from a real estate estimator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of interesting discussion going on here and it&#8217;s clear we have a big split between those that want to help the homeowner and those that refuse to bailout the homeowner.  Some of my best friends are homeowners and like Mr. M said they began to think of the home as an investment. All of the ones that bought after 2004 were absolutely sure they couldn&#8217;t really afford the house they were buying but, &#8220;hey, its an investment&#8221; it will go up won&#8217;t it?  I&#8217;ve done that same thing with stock but I never got to live in a nice &#8220;stock&#8221;. Some of my friends got to live way beyond their means in a nice house for a couple of years. Lately I&#8217;ve had a few stock investments tank.  I sell that stock, take my lumps and try to figure out how to do better next time. I never even thought of asking anyone for a rebate on what I invested. From what I see on this board and in the streets there will be to much of a backlash against principle reduction. It might happen but people are going to be upset.<br />
My thinking is that we don&#8217;t need a plan. Let them forclose and let the market clean them up. If people really want to help then lets uncover and publicize every forclosed home out there as they forclose and tell the banks, (which we will soon all own), that they have 18 months to sell after forclosure. That&#8217;s an 18 month slow motion auction but it will eventually work as after the last month the property lists for a $1. If you&#8217;ve been to many house actions you will find that investors will come out of nowhere and the values on these homes will be more real then anything you will get from a real estate estimator.</p>
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		<title>By: BertDilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>BertDilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it looks like it played out exactly as I said.  The congress having their moment of glory with the auto makers to show &quot;tough on bailouts&quot; when what they should have done is funded it to Obama and got the autos off the Christmas table.  Instead everyone went into Black Friday weekend with doom on their minds which showed up on Wall Street today with a 9% drop, one of the largest in the history of the stock market.

You think our leadership would perform better than that and not torpedo the number one shopping day of the year.  When all the cards are counted, I would not doubt that not funding the autos and getting them off the table does not in fact end up costing the economy in excess of the 25 billion the autos wanted in the first place.

So where are we now?  The consumers are standing around looking at Wall Street saying &quot;OMG, it IS worse than we thought!&quot;  We are now reduced to a downward spiral with the consumer and Wall Street feeding off of each other all the way down....  Nice move congress, hope you enjoyed your get tough stance while torpedoing consumer confidence.  Happy Holidays...  It boggles my mind that they did this, you would think they are working for Osama. 

Yeah, I might be a little opinionated but that is how BertDilbert sees it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it looks like it played out exactly as I said.  The congress having their moment of glory with the auto makers to show &#8220;tough on bailouts&#8221; when what they should have done is funded it to Obama and got the autos off the Christmas table.  Instead everyone went into Black Friday weekend with doom on their minds which showed up on Wall Street today with a 9% drop, one of the largest in the history of the stock market.</p>
<p>You think our leadership would perform better than that and not torpedo the number one shopping day of the year.  When all the cards are counted, I would not doubt that not funding the autos and getting them off the table does not in fact end up costing the economy in excess of the 25 billion the autos wanted in the first place.</p>
<p>So where are we now?  The consumers are standing around looking at Wall Street saying &#8220;OMG, it IS worse than we thought!&#8221;  We are now reduced to a downward spiral with the consumer and Wall Street feeding off of each other all the way down&#8230;.  Nice move congress, hope you enjoyed your get tough stance while torpedoing consumer confidence.  Happy Holidays&#8230;  It boggles my mind that they did this, you would think they are working for Osama. </p>
<p>Yeah, I might be a little opinionated but that is how BertDilbert sees it.</p>
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		<title>By: BertDilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>BertDilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY TAKES TOO MUCH

Well that was pretty much what I was saying, the banking industry allowed DTI to expand well beyond reason and the bubble sucked in so many home buyers that the end result was a choking off of the economy even without the current crisis.  In essence, banking had turned into a leach on the productive efforts of society, consuming all like a hungry lion that in the end would even eat their young. 

One certainly has to ponder the worth of finance when the benefits provided are then totally erased and we lose decades of accumulated wealth in the process.  Clearly banking is an item that needs to be kept on a short leash and as we have observed, other entities cannot exist that pressure banks into unsound loans.

With Japan being a recent example of banking gone bad, how was this allowed to happen?  Somewhere lurking under the covers I suspect we will find that it was allowed due to an otherwise inability to show any growth in GDP via a straight economy.

You would think by now that congress would have straightjacketed banking back to it&#039;s post depression cage....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY TAKES TOO MUCH</p>
<p>Well that was pretty much what I was saying, the banking industry allowed DTI to expand well beyond reason and the bubble sucked in so many home buyers that the end result was a choking off of the economy even without the current crisis.  In essence, banking had turned into a leach on the productive efforts of society, consuming all like a hungry lion that in the end would even eat their young. </p>
<p>One certainly has to ponder the worth of finance when the benefits provided are then totally erased and we lose decades of accumulated wealth in the process.  Clearly banking is an item that needs to be kept on a short leash and as we have observed, other entities cannot exist that pressure banks into unsound loans.</p>
<p>With Japan being a recent example of banking gone bad, how was this allowed to happen?  Somewhere lurking under the covers I suspect we will find that it was allowed due to an otherwise inability to show any growth in GDP via a straight economy.</p>
<p>You would think by now that congress would have straightjacketed banking back to it&#8217;s post depression cage&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Information Security Resources &#187; THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY TAKES TOO MUCH, GIVES TOO LITTLE, &#38; BAKES UNKNOWN LIABILITY INTO THE SYSTEM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Information Security Resources &#187; THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY TAKES TOO MUCH, GIVES TOO LITTLE, &#38; BAKES UNKNOWN LIABILITY INTO THE SYSTEM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the already demonstrated incompetence of the overly compensated Financial Industry CEO&#8217;s, their legions of sycophants, as well as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Darwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These victims that you describe are those that would spend more time conducting research before purchasing a plasma tv  than buying a $500k house. They each should have hired a CFA and a lawyer that graduated top-of-class from a good school, rather than hastily dropping a lifetime of earnings based on the musings of an ex-convict turned loan officer.

It&#039;s just common sense. Do your due diligence or else you face a higher chance of getting rocked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These victims that you describe are those that would spend more time conducting research before purchasing a plasma tv  than buying a $500k house. They each should have hired a CFA and a lawyer that graduated top-of-class from a good school, rather than hastily dropping a lifetime of earnings based on the musings of an ex-convict turned loan officer.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just common sense. Do your due diligence or else you face a higher chance of getting rocked.</p>
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		<title>By: BertDilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>BertDilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth doctor

Did the bank enable the home buyer or did the home buyer enable the bank?  While the home buyer saw a house as their biggest investment, the banks saw fat profits.  From this side of the fence, it looks like the banks were the ones that got into the big accident and totaled their cars while the homeowners just walked away.... Is it the home buyers fault that the banks were lousy drivers and did not understand their investment?

While the home buyer might have viewed their house as their biggest investment, zero, five and 10% down is not much of a vested interest, whereas the bank is putting up 90% or more of the money.  Truth be told, it was the banks biggest investment regardless of what the home buyer thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth doctor</p>
<p>Did the bank enable the home buyer or did the home buyer enable the bank?  While the home buyer saw a house as their biggest investment, the banks saw fat profits.  From this side of the fence, it looks like the banks were the ones that got into the big accident and totaled their cars while the homeowners just walked away&#8230;. Is it the home buyers fault that the banks were lousy drivers and did not understand their investment?</p>
<p>While the home buyer might have viewed their house as their biggest investment, zero, five and 10% down is not much of a vested interest, whereas the bank is putting up 90% or more of the money.  Truth be told, it was the banks biggest investment regardless of what the home buyer thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth doctor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;The greatest real estate bubble of all time was only able to occur because of the bank’s allowing home owners to use extraordinary leverage&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;...allowing home owners to use...&quot;.  This is an example of enabling, and enablers cannot be the main cause; they require another participant to take action.  A gun enables murder, it alone cannot commit one.

&quot;over the past five years there was a fundamental shift of how people viewed their home - from ‘a place to live’ to their single ‘largest investment’.&quot;
There is your main cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The greatest real estate bubble of all time was only able to occur because of the bank’s allowing home owners to use extraordinary leverage</b></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;allowing home owners to use&#8230;&#8221;.  This is an example of enabling, and enablers cannot be the main cause; they require another participant to take action.  A gun enables murder, it alone cannot commit one.</p>
<p>&#8220;over the past five years there was a fundamental shift of how people viewed their home &#8211; from ‘a place to live’ to their single ‘largest investment’.&#8221;<br />
There is your main cause.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. M, You are performing a great service for the general public thru your web site.  As for your proposal to lower mortgage principles, all corrective plans require attention to details.  The devil is in the details.  That&#039;s how plans and laws become complicated.  Your plan as proposed may work on paper, but to be politically viable, it needs to ensure that financially responsible individuals end up better off than those who got caught-up in financial arrangements they can not afford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. M, You are performing a great service for the general public thru your web site.  As for your proposal to lower mortgage principles, all corrective plans require attention to details.  The devil is in the details.  That&#8217;s how plans and laws become complicated.  Your plan as proposed may work on paper, but to be politically viable, it needs to ensure that financially responsible individuals end up better off than those who got caught-up in financial arrangements they can not afford.</p>
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