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	<title>Comments on: Jumbo Prime: &#8216;Walk Away&#8217; Loans &#8211; More Downgrades Coming</title>
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		<title>By: BertDilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>BertDilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy1

A quick response would be that those in more affluent neighborhoods have more assets to draw on, prolonging time to default.  Just a theory, but I am sure there are other items.

One I spoke to utilized a gain from another house and used the gain as a larger down payment.  That said, he has a reset coming that he is not looking forward to.  As the resets kick in, we may have a day of reckoning before us.  I would reckon that the more affluent areas are all move up buyers and not first timers, unlike inland which would likely have more first timers.

On many occasions Mr. M has stated also that the Jumbo is the third wave, perhaps he could expound on that.</description>
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<p>A quick response would be that those in more affluent neighborhoods have more assets to draw on, prolonging time to default.  Just a theory, but I am sure there are other items.</p>
<p>One I spoke to utilized a gain from another house and used the gain as a larger down payment.  That said, he has a reset coming that he is not looking forward to.  As the resets kick in, we may have a day of reckoning before us.  I would reckon that the more affluent areas are all move up buyers and not first timers, unlike inland which would likely have more first timers.</p>
<p>On many occasions Mr. M has stated also that the Jumbo is the third wave, perhaps he could expound on that.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy1 - I have covered this in detail dozens of times over the past year. The Coast is getting it indeed. There are very few sales going off in areas other than subprime epicenters - people want distressed properties. 

90% of all foreclosures that have gone off so far have been of the subprime variety because the foreclosure process is a year or so. Alt-A and Jubo DEFAULTS which began surging early summer have not resulted in actual foreclosures YET to any great degree but they will begin in a month or so and get really heavy right about when the Spring selling seasons comes around. 

Couple surging defaults and foreclosures with no mortgage money over $625k available under 7.5% full doc and no cheap money rom $417,001 to $625k and you are perfectly set-up for a subprime epicenter repeat in the higher priced areas. It has to happen. There is no way around it. 

Also keep in mind that while Subprime 2/28 and 3/27 mostly originated between 2005-2007 caused severe problems upon reset most Alt-A, Jumbo Prime and Pay Options are on 5-year reset schedules - the heaviest origination years were from 2003-2007 so do the math - add 5 years.  The Alt-A, Pay Options and Jumbo Prime have had time on their side this entire time paying very low payments, renting their home while their value keeps falling. They are now stuck as well. 

We are on the leading edge of a major wave that will take housing all over the state of CA down to historic levels of 1 o 4 times median household incomes. Most coastal regions still sit at 6 to 12x.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy1 &#8211; I have covered this in detail dozens of times over the past year. The Coast is getting it indeed. There are very few sales going off in areas other than subprime epicenters &#8211; people want distressed properties. </p>
<p>90% of all foreclosures that have gone off so far have been of the subprime variety because the foreclosure process is a year or so. Alt-A and Jubo DEFAULTS which began surging early summer have not resulted in actual foreclosures YET to any great degree but they will begin in a month or so and get really heavy right about when the Spring selling seasons comes around. </p>
<p>Couple surging defaults and foreclosures with no mortgage money over $625k available under 7.5% full doc and no cheap money rom $417,001 to $625k and you are perfectly set-up for a subprime epicenter repeat in the higher priced areas. It has to happen. There is no way around it. </p>
<p>Also keep in mind that while Subprime 2/28 and 3/27 mostly originated between 2005-2007 caused severe problems upon reset most Alt-A, Jumbo Prime and Pay Options are on 5-year reset schedules &#8211; the heaviest origination years were from 2003-2007 so do the math &#8211; add 5 years.  The Alt-A, Pay Options and Jumbo Prime have had time on their side this entire time paying very low payments, renting their home while their value keeps falling. They are now stuck as well. </p>
<p>We are on the leading edge of a major wave that will take housing all over the state of CA down to historic levels of 1 o 4 times median household incomes. Most coastal regions still sit at 6 to 12x.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great stuff.  However, it appears. MR. Mortgage does not respond to questions.  If he did, I should beg for an explanation as to why the coast has not decreased.  You say in your example that the real price for these homes was set by the availability of cheap money, alt-a, interest only, liar and ninja loans. (and they were, I lived there and knew these people) Further, we keep getting told the cheap money is gone, no one qualifies for loans, Jumbo loans are 9%. Then why have these prices not declined the same as with the inland area.  They were all funded with liar-loans.  The minute that dried up, these homes should have collapsed.  Instead, I contine to see prices at or near their peak.  specificially Newport, Laguna, ect.

Any intelligent response would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great stuff.  However, it appears. MR. Mortgage does not respond to questions.  If he did, I should beg for an explanation as to why the coast has not decreased.  You say in your example that the real price for these homes was set by the availability of cheap money, alt-a, interest only, liar and ninja loans. (and they were, I lived there and knew these people) Further, we keep getting told the cheap money is gone, no one qualifies for loans, Jumbo loans are 9%. Then why have these prices not declined the same as with the inland area.  They were all funded with liar-loans.  The minute that dried up, these homes should have collapsed.  Instead, I contine to see prices at or near their peak.  specificially Newport, Laguna, ect.</p>
<p>Any intelligent response would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Palo Alto Renter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Palo Alto Renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering also if the prices would finally go down in Palo Alto.
Looking at Zillow, prices seem really flat, maybe the fall is not reflected yet in the stats.

http://www.zillow.com/real-estate/CA-Palo-Alto-home-value

Do you think that rental prices will also eventually suffer here?
Would be good to move to a similar house at 20% less next year ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering also if the prices would finally go down in Palo Alto.<br />
Looking at Zillow, prices seem really flat, maybe the fall is not reflected yet in the stats.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zillow.com/real-estate/CA-Palo-Alto-home-value" rel="nofollow">http://www.zillow.com/real-estate/CA-Palo-Alto-home-value</a></p>
<p>Do you think that rental prices will also eventually suffer here?<br />
Would be good to move to a similar house at 20% less next year <img src='http://mrmortgage.ml-implode.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Palo Alto Renter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palo Alto Renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck, prices are even falling here in Palo Alto.  We&#039;ve been looking around for a few months, but it is paying to be patient.  Some recent homes have been sold at as much as 200k of the initial listed price.  Some have been on market without sale for months which is unreal for PA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck, prices are even falling here in Palo Alto.  We&#8217;ve been looking around for a few months, but it is paying to be patient.  Some recent homes have been sold at as much as 200k of the initial listed price.  Some have been on market without sale for months which is unreal for PA.</p>
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		<title>By: B Lulla</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Lulla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, thanks for your link.

And thanks to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, thanks for your link.</p>
<p>And thanks to all.</p>
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		<title>By: dafox</title>
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		<dc:creator>dafox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>od- thanks for that link. its nice to see in the mainstream press what the bloggers have been saying for a couple years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>od- thanks for that link. its nice to see in the mainstream press what the bloggers have been saying for a couple years.</p>
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		<title>By: GloomBoom.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>GloomBoom.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this country we have non-recourse loans, so walking away is often the smartest thing to do. But if you did a refinance, make sure and check the fine print. Some refis are recourse loans and they can come after you for years. Be careful!! Check out gloomboom.com - it will make your day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this country we have non-recourse loans, so walking away is often the smartest thing to do. But if you did a refinance, make sure and check the fine print. Some refis are recourse loans and they can come after you for years. Be careful!! Check out gloomboom.com &#8211; it will make your day!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didn&#039;t anyone look at replacement value before spending more than a house is worth?  They would have known it was a bubble.

That is why I built my own house.  It helped to have an engineering background.  I read books on house design, learned AutoCAD and did my own drawings, hired the subcontractors and managed the job full time.  I built a house for the future with autoclaved aeraeted concrete that has super low utility bills, low insurnace premiums and practically no maintenance.  It&#039;s fire proof, storm and termite pooof and will last centuries.  All for less than paying the bubble price.  

Do your homework people.  Think for yourself.  Do research and get facts. 

Unfortunately this housing bubble collapse destroyed our economy.  Our country is bankrupt.  We will be years getting over the depression that just started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t anyone look at replacement value before spending more than a house is worth?  They would have known it was a bubble.</p>
<p>That is why I built my own house.  It helped to have an engineering background.  I read books on house design, learned AutoCAD and did my own drawings, hired the subcontractors and managed the job full time.  I built a house for the future with autoclaved aeraeted concrete that has super low utility bills, low insurnace premiums and practically no maintenance.  It&#8217;s fire proof, storm and termite pooof and will last centuries.  All for less than paying the bubble price.  </p>
<p>Do your homework people.  Think for yourself.  Do research and get facts. </p>
<p>Unfortunately this housing bubble collapse destroyed our economy.  Our country is bankrupt.  We will be years getting over the depression that just started.</p>
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		<title>By: od</title>
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		<dc:creator>od</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey the press is finally talking about the Tsunami coming! 
this is a first!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28035238/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey the press is finally talking about the Tsunami coming!<br />
this is a first!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28035238/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28035238/</a></p>
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